eagle jet - paying for A320 type rating and 500hrs line experience
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eagle jet - paying for A320 type rating and 500hrs line experience
Hello
I have a question for all of you out there.
I'm newly graduated from a flight school and currently hold a frozen ATPL license with only 230 flight hours.
The market nowadays is pretty hard for us new ones ao in order to get a shot at a job I was thinking of bying myself an A320 type rating and 500 hrs line experience on type.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this, is it a good way to hopefully get a job in the future? Any comments are most welcome, as this is a very expensive way to try to get a job I need to have inputs from those already in the business.
Also, does anyone know anything about a company in the States that is called Eaglejet, or a flight school in Spain that is currently holding type rating courses on the A320, it is called Aeromadrid?
Hope to hear from you all
I have a question for all of you out there.
I'm newly graduated from a flight school and currently hold a frozen ATPL license with only 230 flight hours.
The market nowadays is pretty hard for us new ones ao in order to get a shot at a job I was thinking of bying myself an A320 type rating and 500 hrs line experience on type.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this, is it a good way to hopefully get a job in the future? Any comments are most welcome, as this is a very expensive way to try to get a job I need to have inputs from those already in the business.
Also, does anyone know anything about a company in the States that is called Eaglejet, or a flight school in Spain that is currently holding type rating courses on the A320, it is called Aeromadrid?
Hope to hear from you all
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http://66.155.6.21/EagleJet/
for those interested in parting with a lot of money
PS.Saw on the site....
Boeing 737-300 and 700 including JAA Type Rating
300 hours
38,900 British Pounds
Line Exp, JAA Type Rating, Base Check and JAA Line Check
*Requirement: JAA Frozen ATPL with MCC
This seems interesting, is it with a UK operator? If so, it is slightly worrying however, as if they are allowing a broker to advertise this it implies profit is their main reasoning. It could only be one of a few (who operates both 733/73-7?)
for those interested in parting with a lot of money
PS.Saw on the site....
Boeing 737-300 and 700 including JAA Type Rating
300 hours
38,900 British Pounds
Line Exp, JAA Type Rating, Base Check and JAA Line Check
*Requirement: JAA Frozen ATPL with MCC
This seems interesting, is it with a UK operator? If so, it is slightly worrying however, as if they are allowing a broker to advertise this it implies profit is their main reasoning. It could only be one of a few (who operates both 733/73-7?)
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I'm glad they hid this thread, because Ace they'd string you up for even suggesting working for free, never mind paying for a type rating. PS, can you lend me the money to finish my CPL?
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"This seems interesting, is it with a UK operator? If so, it is slightly worrying however, as if they are allowing a broker to advertise this it implies profit is their main reasoning. It could only be one of a few (who operates both 733/73-7?)"
Profit?
In aviation?
How dare they?
Profit?
In aviation?
How dare they?
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I would have thought doing the multi turbine time (Beech 1900 was on their website) would get you further up the ladder without you having to spend huge amounts of cash on jet time. It would still make you marketable and reduce the risk of you applying to an airline and having to either redo a type rating to their standard or worse still not be considered as they might form an opinion that your training wasn't up to scratch. It would also eliminate the risk of you ending up with say a 737 type rating when the market may be wanting airbus or ATR as an example.
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Absolutely, some of us struggled the hard way. I'm still in mega debt and can't even afford a pint (seriously!)
I agree, it f*cks it up for the rest of us, and in the long term it ain't a good thing.
G SXTY was right... this is a real contentious issue !!
I agree, it f*cks it up for the rest of us, and in the long term it ain't a good thing.
G SXTY was right... this is a real contentious issue !!
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A Ventura - never admit you've got more money than sense on this website, there's loads of little bolsheviks just waiting to burn your petit beorgouis house down.
To the 'It f***s it up for the rest of us' posters- ah, diddums. You might not be aware that there are many other wannabe pilots who are doing the training because it's what they want to do. Whether you can get a job or not, is not something that keeps them awake at night.
To the 'It f***s it up for the rest of us' posters- ah, diddums. You might not be aware that there are many other wannabe pilots who are doing the training because it's what they want to do. Whether you can get a job or not, is not something that keeps them awake at night.
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It always amuses me when this debate arises. Haven't yet seen any positive action being spoken about to arrest the so called "injustices" in the industry of pilots paying for their training or type ratings. Guess it is easy to vent steam on a bulletin board but too hard to pull finger and change the way the industry is heading in real life. So if all those easyjet, flybe or ryanair (et al)pilots out there really care then what about positive strike action. In fact BA pilots should go on strike too and call for reinstatement of the full sponsorship scheme.
Oh, but hold on the airlines might go out of business from lack of cash due to the flight cancellations. Oh well nice idea in theory. Back to the drawing board!
Oh, but hold on the airlines might go out of business from lack of cash due to the flight cancellations. Oh well nice idea in theory. Back to the drawing board!
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Strafer....
Have a job thanks very much. Have had for over ten years, now on 757/767. Never ever prostituted myself by paying for a type rating or flying for free.
Whatever you say, these people do as I said before f**k the industry for EVERYONE including themselves and including YOU!!!
Have a job thanks very much. Have had for over ten years, now on 757/767. Never ever prostituted myself by paying for a type rating or flying for free.
Whatever you say, these people do as I said before f**k the industry for EVERYONE including themselves and including YOU!!!
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Easy glider,
Either you think that anyone who has ever paid a penny towards any aspect of their flight training is 'prostituting themselves', or you're talking nonsense.
I really can't be bothered to get into the same arguments appearing on every second Wannabes thread, but market, supply, demand.
Viva la revolucion,
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Either you think that anyone who has ever paid a penny towards any aspect of their flight training is 'prostituting themselves', or you're talking nonsense.
I really can't be bothered to get into the same arguments appearing on every second Wannabes thread, but market, supply, demand.
Viva la revolucion,
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Ace,
Bet you got more than you bargained for - welcome to PPRUNE!
It is worth considering all options - I considered this one myself but was very reluctant and fortunately I've just got my first jet job so didn't have to do it. It can be done!!
Points to consider:-
40k gbp is a lot of money to BURN. It's not like buying a Porsche where you'll get 80-90% of the money back - you're really SPENDING the money - it's not really an investment - it's gone. And on a pilots salary, you'll never get it back. I think you really need to have a net worth of at least 500K GBP to justify blowing 10% of your net worth on something like this. (Extra 10k is because you have to live for the 6 months as well!) To justify this, as well as having the cash, I think you need to be an older wannabee as well. If you're under 35, what's the rush? - wait for the upturn or do instructing, try the CTC ATP scheme etc.
Apart from the money - other issues are:- Are Eaglejet trustworthy?, what's the airline that you'll line train with like?, are they a well-respected JAR airline, what legal recourse do you have if things go wrong. Also, once you've been flying for a year or two and the initial thrill is wearing off, you may feel like a schmuck for having spent so much money for the privellege of getting up at 4am to fly beered up blokes to Malaga!
Apart from the practical/money issues - you can see from some of the responses that many senior pilots really look down on this sort of thing as undermining the T&Cs for all pilots. I agree to an extent but think that market forces are just too big for any communal sense of morality to counter - when things pick up again, market forces will again put schemes like this on the back burner until the next recession. HOWEVER, you may find you are on the other side of the table at an interview with a captain who holds such a viewpoint - something else to think about..
Basically my thoughts are go for it if you:-
a) Know you are good and will pass
b) Are satisfied you have legal protection for your money
c) Have a very high net worth
d) Are over 35
otherwise, it doesn't make sense IMHO - good luck.
Bet you got more than you bargained for - welcome to PPRUNE!
It is worth considering all options - I considered this one myself but was very reluctant and fortunately I've just got my first jet job so didn't have to do it. It can be done!!
Points to consider:-
40k gbp is a lot of money to BURN. It's not like buying a Porsche where you'll get 80-90% of the money back - you're really SPENDING the money - it's not really an investment - it's gone. And on a pilots salary, you'll never get it back. I think you really need to have a net worth of at least 500K GBP to justify blowing 10% of your net worth on something like this. (Extra 10k is because you have to live for the 6 months as well!) To justify this, as well as having the cash, I think you need to be an older wannabee as well. If you're under 35, what's the rush? - wait for the upturn or do instructing, try the CTC ATP scheme etc.
Apart from the money - other issues are:- Are Eaglejet trustworthy?, what's the airline that you'll line train with like?, are they a well-respected JAR airline, what legal recourse do you have if things go wrong. Also, once you've been flying for a year or two and the initial thrill is wearing off, you may feel like a schmuck for having spent so much money for the privellege of getting up at 4am to fly beered up blokes to Malaga!
Apart from the practical/money issues - you can see from some of the responses that many senior pilots really look down on this sort of thing as undermining the T&Cs for all pilots. I agree to an extent but think that market forces are just too big for any communal sense of morality to counter - when things pick up again, market forces will again put schemes like this on the back burner until the next recession. HOWEVER, you may find you are on the other side of the table at an interview with a captain who holds such a viewpoint - something else to think about..
Basically my thoughts are go for it if you:-
a) Know you are good and will pass
b) Are satisfied you have legal protection for your money
c) Have a very high net worth
d) Are over 35
otherwise, it doesn't make sense IMHO - good luck.
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Strafer...... Of course, you know far more about this than I do. After all, you've been involved with this industry for what,? a whole ten seconds? Where as I have only been in it for ten years!
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Or maybe you know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
If you'd read the original post, you would have realised that he was asking for opinions, there are no hard facts that you 'know' that can answer his question definitively.
And talking of questions, you didn't answer mine...
If you'd read the original post, you would have realised that he was asking for opinions, there are no hard facts that you 'know' that can answer his question definitively.
And talking of questions, you didn't answer mine...
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Thank you all for your comments
I know this is a touchy subject for many.
I must say I was a bit dissapointed of some of you that posted a reply to this....!! I love flying and that is what I want to do for the rest of my life, what I need now is to get me a job. I know that this is as far from the best solution you can get but if it is my only chance I will not hessitate to use it. Metallica had a song "sad but true" and I think these words fits this part of the industry very well! And for those of you that thought I had to much money, well I don't if I'm going to do this I have to take up a bank loan for the total amount.
Buttline:
Thank you for your response, it gave me a few new things to think about before commiting to this scheme. Hopefully there can be some more replies like yours
I must say I was a bit dissapointed of some of you that posted a reply to this....!! I love flying and that is what I want to do for the rest of my life, what I need now is to get me a job. I know that this is as far from the best solution you can get but if it is my only chance I will not hessitate to use it. Metallica had a song "sad but true" and I think these words fits this part of the industry very well! And for those of you that thought I had to much money, well I don't if I'm going to do this I have to take up a bank loan for the total amount.
Buttline:
Thank you for your response, it gave me a few new things to think about before commiting to this scheme. Hopefully there can be some more replies like yours
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I don't understand you guys, most of you are writing that is no right, that Ace should wait but for WHAT!!
I hold a frozen ATPL 250 hrs and I don't work and probably I'll never work because in this moment the airlines are in deep s**t
or they realized that is more convenient for them let the young graduate "stupid" Pilots (like me) to pay for their training end teir experience.
I think that we shuld be helped from a Pilots Union because this is no the pilots fault but the money anger airlines fault.
I tell you that if doing an Eagle jet program will garantee me a job I would increase my debit and do it, but there is nothing safe.
thanks
I hold a frozen ATPL 250 hrs and I don't work and probably I'll never work because in this moment the airlines are in deep s**t
or they realized that is more convenient for them let the young graduate "stupid" Pilots (like me) to pay for their training end teir experience.
I think that we shuld be helped from a Pilots Union because this is no the pilots fault but the money anger airlines fault.
I tell you that if doing an Eagle jet program will garantee me a job I would increase my debit and do it, but there is nothing safe.
thanks
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empty barrels rattle the loudest
Eage Jet huh?
You can find some interesting info by searching some past messages in this board, and personally some time ago I wanted to start a FO program with Egle Jet, then for some personal reasons I couldn't do it. Some time ago I had a response from a marketing information company concerning Eagle Jet: "The subject have been sued several times for non-payment of services goods.( name of plaintiffs and lawsuite types included )
For this reason we are unable to make a credit recommendation for 10,000 USD"
-Eagle Jet is a company consists of 3 employees.
-The flight school is in the U.S. but the training takes place in the eastern europe.....
-the president uses to call his customers personally to know if they are still interested in his program...
-In order to take part to the program your resume has to be selected...fine but it always turn to be selected at the end.
-He would never give you the name of the companies through which you will eventually do your line training....
You can find some interesting info by searching some past messages in this board, and personally some time ago I wanted to start a FO program with Egle Jet, then for some personal reasons I couldn't do it. Some time ago I had a response from a marketing information company concerning Eagle Jet: "The subject have been sued several times for non-payment of services goods.( name of plaintiffs and lawsuite types included )
For this reason we are unable to make a credit recommendation for 10,000 USD"
-Eagle Jet is a company consists of 3 employees.
-The flight school is in the U.S. but the training takes place in the eastern europe.....
-the president uses to call his customers personally to know if they are still interested in his program...
-In order to take part to the program your resume has to be selected...fine but it always turn to be selected at the end.
-He would never give you the name of the companies through which you will eventually do your line training....