Jesus, it's like watching grumpy old men.....

Filling in rating sheet?

Think "out the box" and write out the box!

Thinking outside the box....... We're all being softened up with this apalling paperwork and will happily accept our chip being injected to hold all our records. Just need a scanner, job done :ok:

Seriously though, have they clearly defined the steps needed to go from NPPL to this new fangled euro licence?

Also, I'd assume that the restriction on carrying passengers for the first xyz hours doesn't apply to taking along a suitably qualified pilot?

If you mean the conversion process from NPPL(A) with SSEA Class Rating to LAPL(A) with Single Engine Piston aeroplane endorsement, the answer is yes.

See CAP 804 Section 4 Part P Page 11-12.

BEagle, you appear to be a staunch critic of EASA? Maybe it's worth considering sitting with all the guys up there to work out something positive together going forward? Or get yourself promoted to head of FCL?

It could be much more productive than sitting here with an axe to grind! :)

What a naive view you have. Do you really believe anyone in FCL actually sat there and worked all this out? EASA received over 8000 comments from informed members of Industry and the CAA and ignored most of them.

This pre-supposes that one would see 'Head of FCL' as a promotion, even if such a position existed.

As I understand from enquiries made and answers received.....

Holders of the NPPL SSEA will migrate to LAPL sometime before 2015 but the medical requirements will be more rigid than at present and require sign off by an AME.

Does anyone yet know the full medical requirements? If the medical is to be more onerous what will happen to those Pilots who got back into flying after failing the JAR medical and going NPPL and getting a GP medical? Will they be out of flying again?

I have a current CAA (M) and a lapsed NPPL SSEA and have been toying with the idea of revalidating the NPPL but before doing so really need to understand the implications of the propsed changes to the medical.

Only another 11 days and hopefully all will be revealed

See: http://easa.europa.eu/agency-measure...bin%20crew.pdf


soaringhigh650, what the heck do you think I've been doing for the past few years?

So quite different to the NPPL SSEA medical then and I can't see a GP agreeing to do it so cost implications as well :eek:

I understand that an NPPL SSEA will have to migrate to LAPL. Seems there could be a few casualties!

Or migrate to LAA land.

Migrate to LAA land? Are you sure? See my questions below to someone who should know - their answers in bold itallics:

I simply want to fly low performance, lightweight aircraft in daytime VFR conditions with the minimum of fuss. I am happy with the NPPL medical and really feel that the NPPL is adequate for my needs. I am currently in a group flying a Eurostar microlight and would like to buy an LAA aircraft “Streak Shadow” which requires an SSEA licence.

Can you give me the definitive answer to these questions please:

1) Will the NPPL (SSEA) evolve into an LAPL with higher medical requirements?
2) Will the NPPL (SSEA) stay as it is but require higher medical requirements?

1.The NPPL (SSEA) will evolve into the LAPL- however the medical requirement have not yet been fixed by Brussles (!)
2. The NPPL will become the LAPL and you will exchange it before 2015 sometime.

Your informant is sadly misinformed and both of the answers given are incorrect. The NPPL will continue in its present form and will exist alongside the LAPL. From 8 April 2015 the NPPL will be valid only on UK registered, non-EASA aircraft while the LAPL will be valid on both EASA and non-EASA aircraft.

The medical requirements for the LAPL have been fixed and in the public domain since 5 April 2012.

Very worrying. When I say he should know, I really mean that he SHOULD know given his position and where he appears and the capacity as an official person of reference.
I would certainly have put his advice well above anything I could have found on an internet forum especially as it came back this week from a formal enquiry that I made.
I would feel absurd questioning him!
Dunno what to do now

Most times I look at Prune for concise,accurate infomation I become confused and annoyed with innacurate and sarcastic replies ,which is why I don't post much on here nowadays.
So much so that I forgot my password and needed a new one.

My understanding is that those of us flying on a NPPL,which for me, on an ex military aircraft, will be to carry on just as before, with the same medical self declaration.
I understand that this also applies to certain other type aircraft.

Tony,

See question 16 here:

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/2330/h-FAQs%20May%202012.pdf

You will be able to fly the Streak Shadow on an NPPL SSEA, but in the UK only.

If your Streak Shadow is the Microlight version, it may not be flown on an NPPL(SSEA). Similarly, if your Streak Shadow is the SSEA version, it may not be flown on a NPPL(Microlight).

This is because there is no such thing as a NPPL 'Streak Shadow Type Rating'! The Class Ratings included in an NPPL cover all aircraft in that class - an aircraft which meets the Microlight definition needs a Microlight Class Rating and a Single Engine Piston (Land) aeroplane which meets the SSEA definition needs an SSEA Class Rating.

Quite correct. The only changes which are of note are:

1. With effect from 17 Sep 2012, if a pilot so chooses, he may use the LAPL Medical Certificate with an NPPL.

2. With effect from 8 Apr 2015, the NPPL may not be used to fly EASA aircraft.

3. Any NPPL issued before 8 Apr 2015 may be converted to a LAPL at any time (including after 8 Apr 2015).

4. Any NPPL issued after 8 Apr 2015 may not be converted to a LAPL.

Actually I have a current CAA (M) licence which I use to fly a group Eurostar microlight. I also have a lapsed NPPL (SSEA) which I have considered revalidating as I would like to buy a Star Streak or Streak Shadow. I will be happy to revalidate if the single existing medical will be retained and I won't be forced to have two medicals.
Of course I could just buy a microlight version of the Shadow but I felt that the NPPL SSEA would open up more opportunities.

There is no intention to change current NPPL medical requirements.