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Hi guys,
Im new here... So if i have missed a thread with this forgive me.
Does anyone know what the current situation is with the new LAPL licence?? What are the limitations, amount of flight training etc. Any help would be greatly appriciated!
Cheers
Im new here... So if i have missed a thread with this forgive me.
Does anyone know what the current situation is with the new LAPL licence?? What are the limitations, amount of flight training etc. Any help would be greatly appriciated!
Cheers
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That is only for new licenses.
Are there exams for it and have approvals actually been issued?
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Conversion of existing licences is defined in CAP 804. Because the NPPL requires more solo flying before being issued than does the LAPL, only those pilots who haven't completed 6 hrs PIC since NPPL issue will need to do so before being able to carry passengers as LAPL holders - even though they could do so as NPPL holders.....
No ATO approval is needed to convert a licence to a LAPL, but approval is needed to instruct for initial issue of a LAPL. Thus to teach 67% of a 'proper' PPL course (i.e. the LAPL), a training organisation which has been training pilots for perhaps 50 years will need to pay the ludicrous 'approval fee' to become an ATO, but to carry on teaching a PPL course there is no need to become an ATO until 2015......
The logic of which is only apparent to a blinkered €urocrat...
As has been said many times, EASA is a totally unnecessary organisation, hell-bent on fixing things which simply aren't broken. More and more it is demonstrating that it is manifestly unfit for purpose.
Whopity, have you tried printing out the ridiculous new 'Certificate of Revalidation' panel of the 16-panel 2-sided A4-to-A7 origami which EASA calls a licence? The space for the Examiner's certificate number and signature are each 11 x 8 mm in size. Interestingly, the Examiner doesn't need to include his/her name.....
The CAA allege that pilots won't be allowed to cut up this ridiculous document to fit the normal A6 licence holder - although at the last EASA FCL_PG meeting, I was told that this wasn't true - it's something that the CAA seems to have invented by itself.
No ATO approval is needed to convert a licence to a LAPL, but approval is needed to instruct for initial issue of a LAPL. Thus to teach 67% of a 'proper' PPL course (i.e. the LAPL), a training organisation which has been training pilots for perhaps 50 years will need to pay the ludicrous 'approval fee' to become an ATO, but to carry on teaching a PPL course there is no need to become an ATO until 2015......
The logic of which is only apparent to a blinkered €urocrat...
As has been said many times, EASA is a totally unnecessary organisation, hell-bent on fixing things which simply aren't broken. More and more it is demonstrating that it is manifestly unfit for purpose.
Whopity, have you tried printing out the ridiculous new 'Certificate of Revalidation' panel of the 16-panel 2-sided A4-to-A7 origami which EASA calls a licence? The space for the Examiner's certificate number and signature are each 11 x 8 mm in size. Interestingly, the Examiner doesn't need to include his/her name.....
The CAA allege that pilots won't be allowed to cut up this ridiculous document to fit the normal A6 licence holder - although at the last EASA FCL_PG meeting, I was told that this wasn't true - it's something that the CAA seems to have invented by itself.
Last edited by BEagle; 4th September 2012 at 14:30.
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Whopity, have you tried printing out the ridiculous new 'Certificate of Revalidation' panel of the 16-panel 2-sided A4-to-A7 origami which EASA calls a licence? The space for the Examiner's certificate number and signature are each 11 x 8 mm in size. Interestingly, the Examiner doesn't need to include his/her name.....
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Are there exams for it and have approvals actually been issued?
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I don't think you can get a LAPL medical yet?
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Forget the GP route- there is absolutely no incentive for them to register to do something they don't understand and are not interested in.
At least the LAPL Medical Certificate will be available from AMEs!
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See CAP804 Section 4 Part P Page 11-12. (.pdf pp 435 & 436 / 794).
You can download CAP804 at http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP804rfs.pdf . An updated version will be released shortly.
You can download CAP804 at http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP804rfs.pdf . An updated version will be released shortly.
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EASA cannot include this in their document as it is a UK national conversion report - other countries, oops, 'member states' will probably have similar conversion reports once they get round to thinking about them....
Incidentally, this is the new 'Certificate of Experience' page:
The blue outline on the right is the size of a credit card, so you can see how it will be virtually impossible for an Examiner to fill in his/her certificate no. and signature in those wretched little 11mm x 8 mm boxes.....
Incidentally, this is the new 'Certificate of Experience' page:
The blue outline on the right is the size of a credit card, so you can see how it will be virtually impossible for an Examiner to fill in his/her certificate no. and signature in those wretched little 11mm x 8 mm boxes.....
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I note there is nowhere to enter the validity of the English Language proficiency for those who might not be Level 6!
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Quite correct, Whopity - I understand that the CAA is well aware of the extra administrative burden imposed by the utter lunacy of EASA part-FCL....
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And then what happens to all the rating signatures in micro miniature writing that will disappear when they reissue it? Up to know, they have not been able to cope with existing Cs of R and you have to keep the old "separate" revalidation certificate!
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That, I guess, is yet another aspect which hasn't been properly considered!
You really couldn't have made it up......
Hardly surprising I gave up instructing and examining with all this utterly shambolic €urobolleaux about to make its thoroughly unwelcome apperance on the scene....
You really couldn't have made it up......
Hardly surprising I gave up instructing and examining with all this utterly shambolic €urobolleaux about to make its thoroughly unwelcome apperance on the scene....
Last edited by BEagle; 5th September 2012 at 18:43.