Well dome Screech--

You dont need a mallet-always ask your pax:

Have you flown in a light aircraft before?

hi no I havent. I have just been in my C152. I am considering a C172 difference training so I can take up a few of my friends. I am trying to get to fly a sportcruiser.

why do you ask about light aircraft. do you have one spare?

Congratulations Screetch! :D

Always ask you pax---Have you flown in a light aircraft before?

And make sure there are sick bags handy?

Incredibly valuable advice! I picked up a few before taking anyone for a flight after getting my PPL and tucked them into the back of my kneeboard. The first few people I took up were absolutely fine, and I almost forgot they were there.

Then, one afternoon, I took a friend up. It was CAVOK, the air was cool and the wind was light. We were about half an hour away from the field when I noticed he'd stopped talking. I looked across at him and saw that his skin had taken on a green hue and a rather disturbing clammy sheen. I asked him to move the headset microphone away from his mouth, and handed him a sick bag. I headed straight back to Shoreham, but by the time we got there he'd pretty much filled the bag. There was nothing else in the aircraft we could have used - that bag saved the day. ;)

I felt terrible after the flight - Talking about it afterwards, my friend said that the sickness had started when he looked behind at the runway on the climbout. He hoped it would just go away, so he didn't mention it, but I suspected that he'd thought he would spoil the fun by asking me to turn back. Of course I would have much rather have returned early with him having enjoyed the flight, than spent the last half of the flight feeling guilty I hadn't noticed my passenger wasn't feeling well earlier!

Joel.

Joel always carry a poly bag with no holes in too.

After a charter flight (2 local councillors to the IOM) the one got onto the wing (Aztec) with his half full sick bag and the bottom bust and it all went down his suit!

Remember if you get sick in the aircraft the school/club will expect you to clean up!

i get the feeling my flightbag is getting too small now, but a few sickbags is certainly a good idea. However handing them out before may just instigates that your PAX is in for a wild ride? :cool: Anyways it is good advise.

So i have completed all my paperwork and everything should be send off to the caa today. I think it takes 6 weeks? Gosh that is a long time. I booked myself in with an instructor next week and in two weeks time i will rent a plane as solo student for some circuits just to keep on top of it and do my 3 landings and takeoff before i can finally take my girlfriend up with me.

hopefully i can fly with lots of people from booker so i get the feel of different aircraft, other pilots and get to fly.

Out of curiosity - who here would issue a PAN PAN call in response to a passenger becoming sick?

Screetch - No need to hand them out before you start, just keep an eye on your passengers, and tell them to let you know as soon as they feel ill. Like you say, it's probably a bit unnerving climbing into a light aircraft for the first time and being handed a sick bag :)

RedKnight - It did cross my mind, especially once I got back to Shoreham and had to wait in the overhead whilst ATC helped another pilot who was unable to find the field despite being close enough to disrupt the circuit traffic. I decided that it wasn't actually a medical emergency, and so the situation didn't warrant a Pan Pan.

Joel.

If its air sick and barfing in a bag personally I wouldn't

Any hint of them passing out or becoming unresponsive to verbal instructions declare PAN or MAYDAY it doesn't really matter what you call the reponce will be exactly the same from the ATC.

Also if they start leaking bodly fluids apart from barfing again declare.

But have a think on your own work load. If they are causing you problems and degrading your ability to manage the flight safely call a pan for a barfing pax. Your not an instructor who can form a barf bag using a chart while flying the approach using the rudder pedals and holding some ones hair out of the puke while trying to flick away thier mike. ;)

Personally I wouldn't hand out barf bags at the start of the flight just have them under your knee board or in a door pocket within easy reach. If someone is in a mind they will feel sick a barf bag will reforce that feeling.

Skills Test July 2010
 

Hi,
In reply to everyones posts, ive just done my skills test and passed!!

Mine was :

couple of hours before given the route, planned it at home, looked at F214/215`s Metars and Tafs.

Turned up, went through the whole test with the CAA examiner who was spot on, great guy.

Gave me a weight balance sheet to complete and wanted to know if we would take off with runway avail.
Weight /Balance was out of the envelope, so I suggested adding some baggage, which put everything on track!

Went out checked the aircraft, and as I was finishing, asked me a few things about the aircraft, nothing major. Got in started to do the internal checks, asked me about how much fuel we had and what our endurance was.

Started up, did brake test, and checked DI worked. Start up checks, then we did a Short Take off.

Went off on first leg, made sure I climbed to cruise height at starting point rather than enroute, something which he liked.
Flew very well, and arrived at pin point and turning point give or take a minute.
Then on second leg, told me we`d be doing a VOR `location lost test` which went fine as I knew where I was.
Unplanned diversion, working out heading, time enroute, and ETA. Went fine too

Was told after that I had passed the Nav part.

Then flew to do PFL`s and Stalls. Messed up my base leg stall... tried to rotate before applying full power... Examiner then showed me how I should have done it, then did it fine after that.
PFL went well, he gave me plenty time for find a field I was going to `land` in. Due to location it was went down to about 700feet, all worked out well, as I was climbing away, pulled throttle off, sim engine failure on take off.

Came back into the circuit and after descending deadside, did flapless approach, then low level bad weather, both go arounds, when I was about 50feet off the ground, and finally, a short field landing!

Advice, speak your mind.. everything you think you are going to do say it!

Hope this helps

Al

PA28, Sherburn in Elmet up in sunny Yorkshire

Congratulations!

A couple of points though:

Examiners are not permitted to tell you whether you've passed an individual section until after the test. So although your Examiner was very kind to have done so, others are more likely to stick to the rules.....

The Examiner isn't permitted to do that - all he/she is permitted to do is to tell you to repeat the test item. Although a comment such as "Sorry, perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I would like you to show me safe recovery with minimum height loss from a stall in the approach configuration, recovering when I say the word 'Recover'" might give applicants a reminder clue or two.....

Anyway, well done - you passed! Enjoy!!

Cheers,

Maybe so, the weather wasnt that clever so was going to do it in two parts, so he said I had passed.

Not that bothered,maybe my wording as I would hate to get anyone into trouble!

Passed and tried my best to help people like I was unsure about what actually happens in plain language, as there seems a sense to over complicate things,

alm

Congrats Al, well done!

Thanks...RT practical booked, for next week due to work commitments, didnt realise it was a 2.5hr test!
Any points??

alm

I agree about not declaring a Pan, though if ATC are not too busy dealing with something else, I see no harm in a polite and professional mention that you're passenger is a bit airsick and that is why you are returning before planned. It makes people aware but also *may* just get you down a little bit quicker.

Just a thought :)


On the topic of RT, I presume it is the same one for all licenses, CPL / PPL, if so, the actual test shouldn't take 2.5 hours! I think mine last about 30 mins to an hour and is fairly straight forward if you are used to UK comms (which I wasn't - as I had flown only in the USA before that point, which is quite different!), so I did quite a lot of reading before hand.
I suggest looking at http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Aviatio...917_LOCKED.pdf which is quite good as it also has playable audio built into it & the CAP: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP413.PDF

Thanks for that I`ll have a look !

Lets hope nope I presume the time I gave was the whole briefing/debriefing etc etc

alm

Yeh, you'll be briefed before hand on how the system works and then debrief afterwards on how you did and what you can do better.

WOW that was....interesting! Hope I never fly that route..

RT passed, and application posted off!!

3 weeks to wait ...........

Damn

Alm