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i am hoping to get my skill test done soon and I am looking at the route i was given. I am sure we are not gonna fly the whole route but this is more like a general question of opinion.
Lets say i will go booker turweston duxford and back to booker. This will get me close to cranfield just at the edge of the luton cta (2x). Now according to the map when I fly below 3500ft I will be clear of controlled airspace.
1. when I would plan the route I would fly turweston and than via cranfield towards duxford. Cranfield is a good waypoint and also has a vor I can tune into. --> do you agree or would you go direct from turweston to duxford for the skill test?
Nav aids are there to be used, but I am not sure if this is what you are supposed to be doing in the test..
Let me know what u think
i am hoping to get my skill test done soon and I am looking at the route i was given. I am sure we are not gonna fly the whole route but this is more like a general question of opinion.
Lets say i will go booker turweston duxford and back to booker. This will get me close to cranfield just at the edge of the luton cta (2x). Now according to the map when I fly below 3500ft I will be clear of controlled airspace.
1. when I would plan the route I would fly turweston and than via cranfield towards duxford. Cranfield is a good waypoint and also has a vor I can tune into. --> do you agree or would you go direct from turweston to duxford for the skill test?
Nav aids are there to be used, but I am not sure if this is what you are supposed to be doing in the test..
Let me know what u think
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Having done a similar route recently, from Turweston, over SilverStone (watch for their heli pleasure flights), to Cranfield, asking for a zone transit, then towards Duxford. Check NOTAMs to see if Old Warden are active, and make blind calls before going through their zone, as they may have traffic even if the tower isn't manned.
You can go under the Luton zone edges (below 2500, 3500 or 4500' depending on where you are).
I'm based at Halton so know the area quite well.
You can go under the Luton zone edges (below 2500, 3500 or 4500' depending on where you are).
I'm based at Halton so know the area quite well.
i am hoping to get my skill test done soon and I am looking at the route i was given.
you will obviously not get as far as duxford, i would brush up on your class D transit radio calls, and maybe expect to call luton for transit to somewhere south of their airspace. possibly the disused BAC factory at hatfield, or elstree.
but the examiner may change their mind at the pre exam briefing and go somewhere else, so dont get too far ahead of yourself.
best of luck for good WX
but the examiner may change their mind at the pre exam briefing and go somewhere else, so dont get too far ahead of yourself.
best of luck for good WX
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Originally Posted by screetch
1. when I would plan the route I would fly turweston and than via cranfield towards duxford. Cranfield is a good waypoint and also has a vor I can tune into. --> do you agree or would you go direct from turweston to duxford for the skill test?
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thanx PfillC, that is the answer I was looking for.
I am aware they might change the route. That doesnt really matter. I have done many NavEx and I got to like the planning part anyways. We will see how it goes.
I am aware they might change the route. That doesnt really matter. I have done many NavEx and I got to like the planning part anyways. We will see how it goes.
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Somewhere in the triangle you will have a diversion,this will happen when you are flying one of the legs,you will need to plot and fly the new route and manage the aircraft correctly.
You will be asked to find a waypoint such as an old airfield,lake or similar.
Anyway that's what happened to me.
Then after nav in the skills test you will be asked to demonstrate correct handling of the aircraft in all the situations that you have previously learned.total time around 3 hours,good luck.
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Somewhere in the triangle you will have a diversion,this will happen when you are flying one of the legs,you will need to plot and fly the new route and manage the aircraft correctly.
You will be asked to find a waypoint such as an old airfield,lake or similar.
Anyway that's what happened to me.
Then after nav in the skills test you will be asked to demonstrate correct handling of the aircraft in all the situations that you have previously learned.total time around 3 hours,good luck.
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All,
Just passed the skills test today so quickly looked up the CAA Scheme of charges and am 99% certain the cost of the licence issue is £176. Can anyone who applied recently confirm this? Just I would hate to send all to them only to have it sent back if I fell two quid short!!
3.1 f):
Also, does anyone with recent experience have any clue as to the wait time? (My instructor advised to allow 6 weeks!! 
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Thanks in advance
Ryan
Just passed the skills test today so quickly looked up the CAA Scheme of charges and am 99% certain the cost of the licence issue is £176. Can anyone who applied recently confirm this? Just I would hate to send all to them only to have it sent back if I fell two quid short!!
3.1 f):
"for the grant of a Private Pilot’s Licence, other than a Private Pilot’s Licence (Balloons and Airships) or a Private Pilot’s Licence (Gyroplanes), valid for five years, a charge of £176"
)Thanks in advance
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Ryan5252 - I got my licence in December, there's no charge for the FRTOL if you apply at the same time, so the £176 is correct.
Screetch - Good luck! I was not permitted to use navigation aids for the navigation part of my skills test (but was required to track to a VOR and then obtain a position fix using two VORs before we started the general handling). I don't know if that was just my examiner though - I wasn't given the route until the morning of the test either
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Screetch - Good luck! I was not permitted to use navigation aids for the navigation part of my skills test (but was required to track to a VOR and then obtain a position fix using two VORs before we started the general handling). I don't know if that was just my examiner though - I wasn't given the route until the morning of the test either
Joel.
I don't know if that was just my examiner though - I wasn't given the route until the morning of the test either
there's no charge for the FRTOL if you apply at the same time
If the licence is required for use with an existing CAA issued flight crew licence or a UK issued medical certificate, no fee is payable. In the case of holders of a valid medical certificate the, Section 5 should be endorsed by the FTO/RF and the certificate enclosed with the licence application.
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If you hold a UK issued Flight Crew Licence or are training for one there is no additional charge for the FRTOL at any time! FCL508 Note 4
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What do you say? Can I get an example?
Passenger briefing by commander
88.—(1) Subject to paragraph (3), the commander of an aircraft registered in the United Kingdom must take all reasonable steps to ensure that before take-off on any flight, all passengers are made familiar with the position and method of use of—
(a) emergency exits;
(b) safety belts (with diagonal shoulder strap where required to be carried);
(c) safety harnesses (if required to be carried);
(d) oxygen equipment, lifejackets and the floor path lighting system (where required to be carried); and
(e) all other devices required by or under this Order and intended for use by passengers individually in the case of an emergency occurring to the aircraft.
(2) Subject to paragraph (3), the commander of an aircraft registered in the United Kingdom must also take all reasonable steps to ensure that in an emergency during a flight, all passengers are instructed in the emergency action which they should take.
88.—(1) Subject to paragraph (3), the commander of an aircraft registered in the United Kingdom must take all reasonable steps to ensure that before take-off on any flight, all passengers are made familiar with the position and method of use of—
(a) emergency exits;
(b) safety belts (with diagonal shoulder strap where required to be carried);
(c) safety harnesses (if required to be carried);
(d) oxygen equipment, lifejackets and the floor path lighting system (where required to be carried); and
(e) all other devices required by or under this Order and intended for use by passengers individually in the case of an emergency occurring to the aircraft.
(2) Subject to paragraph (3), the commander of an aircraft registered in the United Kingdom must also take all reasonable steps to ensure that in an emergency during a flight, all passengers are instructed in the emergency action which they should take.
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did you guys did a full passanger and captains brief?
What do you say? Can I get an example?
What do you say? Can I get an example?
Examiner: "No thank you"
Fair enough then.
. After start and during taxi I did ask him if, as examiner, he wanted to test his breaks to make sure he was happy with them. I think this went down well as he seemed delighted by this suggestion!
There is no Captains brief in a single pilot aeroplane for which you are being tested! This originates from people who are learning to fly multi-crew. The law (Article 88) requires that the commander must make all reasonable steps to ensure that passengers are briefed accordingly. The examiner is probably pretending to be a passenger so listen to what he says he is, and brief him accordingly.
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well one of my instructors does a captains brief at the before take off check stage.
The other one does not..that why I never really learned what to say. However it was something along the lines: "We are using 06 runway on the hard. There is a slight wind blah blah. At 55kts we rotate. If there is any sign off trouble we will try and stop on the runway. After takeoff we do a turn towards..."
Do you guys do this for your own SEP flying?? or for the skill test? I mean it is in my C152 checklist..
The other one does not..that why I never really learned what to say. However it was something along the lines: "We are using 06 runway on the hard. There is a slight wind blah blah. At 55kts we rotate. If there is any sign off trouble we will try and stop on the runway. After takeoff we do a turn towards..."
Do you guys do this for your own SEP flying?? or for the skill test? I mean it is in my C152 checklist..
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I do that before each and every flight, if only to remind myself of what I'm doing (or what I'm about to do). I certainly did it for my skills test. Treat the instructor as a passenger and give him/her a full safety brief, including what to do during an in-flight emergency as per the ANO.
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My instructors encouraged me to do it, and I did it on the skills test too. I still try to do it now, more to get the emergency procedure imprinted in my own mind rather than for the benefit of anyone else! The brief I was taught goes like this...
"We are using runway 20. Wind is 240/10, so we have a crosswind from the right. We will rotate at 60 knots. If we encounter a problem prior to rotation, we will come to a stop on the runway. If a problem occurs after rotation and there is sufficient runway ahead to land, we will do so. If there is insufficient runway ahead to land, we will look to land ahead, no more than 30 degrees either side."
or something like that
Joel.
"We are using runway 20. Wind is 240/10, so we have a crosswind from the right. We will rotate at 60 knots. If we encounter a problem prior to rotation, we will come to a stop on the runway. If a problem occurs after rotation and there is sufficient runway ahead to land, we will do so. If there is insufficient runway ahead to land, we will look to land ahead, no more than 30 degrees either side."
or something like that
Joel.