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Disley / Flyteam
Are there any Flyteam members out there who know exactly what is going on at the moment?
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Disley?Fryteam
Seems they are on 'holiday' at Elstree although the offices have been 'cleaned' take it for what its worth
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Flyteam
Is nothing to worry about the offices are only closed for refurb and should be open again soon as for the aircraft LA and WU are being relocated for a while until offices re open
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do you know what Amir is doing these days?
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Spotted Flyteam aircraft at Cleveland Flying School, another Disley enterprise. Lots of aircraft at Cleveland but since Disley lost the Leeds Uni contract to a bunch of old women, not sure what they are all doing there. Most are gathering dust. Anyone know what is happening at the other Disley places? Blackpool for example.
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Flyteam/Disley at Elstree and Cranfield is closed, all staff were sent home.
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If you ring either the no. at Elstree or Cranfield, you get a recorded message to say that "the answerphone is full"...
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Disley Ops at Blackpool
At Blackpool the Helicentre is operating normally, but nothing appears to have happened about Disley's proposed fixed wing training and charter ops.
My understanding was that they would move into the old Emerald hangar once the 748s and ATPs had all gone. Half this hangar has now been cleared, but the only aircraft to have moved in have been from another local flying school, FLYBPL.COM run by a certain Mr Murgatroyd. |
"Blackpool the Helicentre is operating normally"
Are you sure?
Looks very quite when I have been at Blackpool recently, used to be a very busy school. :sad: |
Flyteam/Disley - Aircraft seized...
I was at elstree yesterday, and G-GALA had a pretty strong chain around the engine blades, with a sign saying the airctaft was seized, and was now the property of Montclare Shipping Company!
Guess they havnt been paying their rental fees. It sadly is no surprise to me. Since Amir sold off, I could tell that the business was being driven into the ground, (despit the best efforts of Ches and Nigel), as the business was never being promoted or marketted. Still the good old English weather over the summer no doubt played its part too. Flyteam was Amir's baby and he had his heart in it, which is why is kept going for so long. Who was it that said in an an ealier forum about Disley;s owner - the quickest way to make a million in this business is to invest five! |
this begs the question
why on earth buy it, if you run it into the ground within months and make very little effort to genuinely run it as a business? one thing now strikes me as obvious. Flyteam - the name and whatever assets it has - might now be acquired from the creditors for not much money. An opportunity awaits someone... Amir are you stepping back into the picture? |
Disley Aviation!
Hi
Does anyone know what the crack is with Cleveland Flying School and Disley Aviation? Apparently the staff haven't been paid for a month so have done a walk out and I don't blame them! It seems that all was going well before Disley took over a few months ago and it has since gone totally down-hill from then on. Not sure about this Disley Aviaiton either - anyone else heard of them?? I'm gutted that such a good school with excellent staff has ended up this way. I feel so sorry for them. Just seems like a case of miking the organisation for all its got and then abandoning it. |
Colin G. This is your stamping ground. Dost tha know owt?
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Flyteam/Disley - Aircraft seized...
I was at elstree yesterday, and G-GALA had a pretty strong chain around the engine blades, with a sign saying the airctaft was seized, and was now the property of Montclare Shipping Company! G-GALA PA28 flew to Blackpool on 14/10 and is currently in the Helicentre hangar. |
Penniless...but still smiling
Bigglesgoggles has got it right. Out of a sense of duty to Cleveland's customers its staff have worked for nothing since the beginning of September. Despite losing the Leeds Uni contract (and for the facts on that, rather than Wings Bar gossip and speculation, please read UniFlyBoy) CFS has still been a profitable little business. However, the staff have been powerless to prevent customers' money being siphoned-off into bank accounts unknown - it certainly hasn't been used to pay suppliers or staff salaries. A small correction: the staff haven't 'walked out' - they are unwilling to generate further income for Disley until their outstanding salaries have been paid, so they have withdrawn their professional services. The CFS team of Claire, Sarah, Richard, Mo 'n' Ed are honest, decent people who have continued to work under increasingly intolerable circumstances. Even now, they still have the guts to go to work and show their faces to the customers, which is more than their Disley 'superiors' have deigned to do. The staff at Cleveland Flying School deserve the respect and admiration of all of us fellow flyers for the stand they have taken.
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There are many pilots and students who have nothing but respect for the STAFF of CFS. On behalf of my flying colleagues I wish you well.
As for the owners............. |
Disley Aviation & Students Money
I'm really concerned now. I have money in the pot with Helicentre Blackpool. I was just about to book an hour or two but have just been told by a friend that I might be out of luck as some of the instructors are no longer there. I've never really thought about the economics of running a flying school before, but there are certainly incentives for students to pay large amounts of money up-front. If there's no chance of using the money for flying, what's the chance of getting the money back I wonder? tending towards zero extremely rapidly I guess.
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If you paid with a credit card, getting the money back should be straightforward. If you paid by other means, I'm sorry to say that you may be out of luck.....
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Heli Training
Try next door FlyBpl,
They have R22,R44, Enstrom for training and SFH with in house examiner.:D |
Cleveland Flying School also has an answering phone stating that the School is closed until further notice and to try calling back in a few days.
The school had just been taken over recently, but i suspect the whole company has gone bust. |
after some digging the staff at Cleveland haven't been paid and walked out on Saturday.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/colin.g...mpty/photo.jpg |
I feel bad for the staff I really do. I really hope the aircraft are not taken to pay creditors but I have a feeling they will. I noticed the covers on all of them the other day, next thing will be a chain around the props :( That would leave nothing for a new buyer but an empty building. Mr Disley has left a trail of destruction in his wake. Also noticed the Disley Aviation website is now down.
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Time for Disley creditors to have their own thread.
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G -BHFC C152 been at Bagby for 2 or 3 weeks propless. Prop arrived for fitting today.
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It seems that Disley Aviation was a front for a big fraud, many people lost their jobs and many suppliers lost their money. At Elstree we saw equipment (unrelated to aviation) arriving on Tue. Morning to be collected and sent to Manchester on Wed. morning. I hope that the police will be on the case.
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Spoke to someone from the school today who says staff at Disley Cleveland not walked out, just withdrawn services, but will walk out soon if not paid this week, and I think there has been some flying activity, also not in receivership, at least not yet. Given they have not been paid since the beginning of last month I am amazed they are still there holding the fort. If the school is being sold as a going concern, membership and other balances should be OK. Situation not the same as at Elstree which seems to have been totally abandoned.
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Staff at CFS paid.
Helicentre Blackpool now taken over by Ventbrook air. Disley and other "money men" as we loving call them in the trade invest in aviation with good intentions, however we all know its not easy at the best of times to make FTO's and AOC operations profitable. Timing is everything. Disley appointed a commercial aviation pro two weeks ago to give them a respectable exit from the industry. After two weeks "consulting" people are being paid and staff renumerated and sites taken over by industry pro's all be it late. After unexpected red tape (We know who) and the economic climate put a stop to their plans. Remember if it wasnt for these investors, successful or not, we would all be on the ground or begging the military to fly something. CFS: After the BBQ at CFS the outlook was optimistic, but once the senior aviation players left DA it was doomed. Without industry knowlege we all know its not a business you can learn, "on the job." Top notch Instructors and ground staff are essential to the daily operation (Which CFS have), however if you do not have the right guys at the top with the business, marketing and regulatory experience your stuffed. Once both of them left DA in August because they were not being listened to or had the autonomy to keep all in check finantially and legally the writing was on the wall. Also from a self preservatory point of veiw they wanted to continue to trade in our industry and bailed! Simple! Thats from a good horses mouth source.:) Also jut got this re pay at CFS. The incoming buyer was supposed to pay the staff but didnt! So the consultants stepped in yesterday and dispatched someone to pay them all and did yesterday tea time. Business is business, but that gesture shows compassion and care for other human beings. Not the asset stripping monster some are painting the present owner as, as these funds have come from his pockets. CM. |
Also jut got this re pay at CFS. The incoming buyer was supposed to pay the staff but didnt! So the consultants stepped in yesterday and dispatched someone to pay them all and did yesterday tea time. Business is business, but that gesture shows compassion and care for other human beings. Not the asset stripping monster some are painting the present owner as, as these funds have come from his pockets. |
Not sure what planet CM is on but some might find it hard to put the words "compassion and care for other human beings" and Disley Aviation in the same sentence.
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Everybody has issues. That is all i can say. A frond for a big fraud scam i think not my friend, that is a very serious thing to say unless you have firm evidence to confirm what you are saying. As regards to cleveland the pay situation was a big miss understanding between DA and the new perspective owner who from deep down i think he has no clue what goes on in the aviation world but yet all i can do is wish him the best of luck if he makes a go of it .
Tim my mobile number has changed and i will PM you with it . Karl414AC |
I fail to see how Disley coming and paying their staff nearly 4 weeks late shows compassion. As for the supposed 'misunderstanding' between Disley and the 'new owner', yet more tosh I'm afraid. How can someone who hasn't even bought the club yet be responsible for September's pay?
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Misinformation makes the world go around
Good on ya, TokenBird; you may be a flier but your feet are firmly on the ground! 'Tosh' is a polite description for what's been said before.
Take it from this horse's mouth that at no time has the prospective new owner promised to pick up the tab for the staff's wages. The staff at CFS are still employees of Disley Aviation and, however much the new guy may sympathise with their plight, he should not be expected to pay them himself. Under Employment Law it is DA's obligation to continue to pay the salaries, and to pay them on time, not three weeks late. The wages for October will be due for payment at the end of this week ... will we see the staff at Cleveland Flying School having to wait until nearly December to receive them? Perhaps on CM's planet people don't have mortgages, families and financial commitments. Think credit scoring, blacklisting, having your bank account closed down ... not to mention the embarrassment of having your cheque for your medical renewal bounce (thank you, horse's mouth). As for Karl with a 'K', you have a vested interest in defending DA in return for all those free positioning flights that are swelling your logbook. |
Mission30,
as i am dyslexic i cannot help my literacy. are you involved with CFS or DA? The ferry flights and running people around is is done out of kindness towards Mr Disley and his close staff. I wish people who know nothing about the running of DA would keep there rumours to them self. BTW my name is spelt with a K Karl414ac |
Originally Posted by crewmuncher
Staff at CFS paid.
Helicentre Blackpool now taken over by Ventbrook air. Disley and other "money men" as we loving call them in the trade invest in aviation with good intentions, however we all know its not easy at the best of times to make FTO's and AOC operations profitable. Timing is everything. Disley appointed a commercial aviation pro two weeks ago to give them a respectable exit from the industry. After two weeks "consulting" people are being paid and staff renumerated and sites taken over by industry pro's all be it late. After unexpected red tape (We know who) and the economic climate put a stop to their plans. Remember if it wasnt for these investors, successful or not, we would all be on the ground or begging the military to fly something. CFS: After the BBQ at CFS the outlook was optimistic, but once the senior aviation players left DA it was doomed. Without industry knowlege we all know its not a business you can learn, "on the job." Top notch Instructors and ground staff are essential to the daily operation (Which CFS have), however if you do not have the right guys at the top with the business, marketing and regulatory experience your stuffed. Once both of them left DA in August because they were not being listened to or had the autonomy to keep all in check finantially and legally the writing was on the wall. Also from a self preservatory point of veiw they wanted to continue to trade in our industry and bailed! Simple! Thats from a good horses mouth source. Also jut got this re pay at CFS. The incoming buyer was supposed to pay the staff but didnt! So the consultants stepped in yesterday and dispatched someone to pay them all and did yesterday tea time. Business is business, but that gesture shows compassion and care for other human beings. Not the asset stripping monster some are painting the present owner as, as these funds have come from his pockets. CM. |
I would be the first to admit that i am new to aviation, but i do know how to run a buisness,and how to give the staff the respect that they deserve.And beleave me,the crap that they have had to put up with over the past few MONTHS not weeks they deserve a hell of alot.
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CFS
No one is questioning the professionalism and dedication of the CFS team, however they have been paid despite the chance to simply fold the company and wind up the business.
If a potential buyer (and there is one) is in the mix, it is in the interests of the staff to keep the place ticking over. As for the sarcasm regarding the Aviation guys who were involved that is unjustified as I', sure the CFS staff will confirm. They worked their asses off to make sense of the whole thing but left when their advice fell on deaf ears! One has returned for a month to sort out the existing problems and frankly in a few weeks has swam the channel from what I can see, the net result being the team at Durham getting PAID! How many times have we all been victims of bankruptcy??? Comed, Northern Aviation, Emerald, British North West, SHALL I GO ON. Only to hear the same moaning and bleating from whiners and wet drips who just blab on for the sake of it. Small industry, so take care as in some cases its obvious who you are. Amazing how the circuit brings you back round the block. I interviewed a guy last week who had all the right tickets but I know from the past is a whiner and constant antagonist. These "Bad Apples" end up in Eastern Europe, the African Cessna 206 safari market, or crewing Islanders and Twin Otters for Solomon Air in the South Pacific as no one this side of that hemisphere will employ them. Management do talk despite being in competition and......................................................... ......................... Sh1t sticks! Fact is in two weeks this guy Disley have brought back has by whatever means managed to raise the cash to pay the staff, that's it, and yes I know him. Lucky it wasn't just wound up and indeed asset stripped! Hope my eloquence and diction have not offended anyone. Lets not mock the afflicted you whiner! So many pilots who have or still work for me are as thick as pig muck, but can put 20-200 tonnes on a 5p piece with remarkable frequency in washing line weather. We are quick to take investors money, but also just as quick and scream and blub when it all goes Pete Tong! Maybe if people spent less time on here or any other moan forum and tried to be more proactive within the company they take their renumeration from month in month out dispite the economic climate and minor recession we are in, we all might, just might, survive. If you have a job in aviation and have half a brain, put a little to one side as the wise ones of us do so. So if your employer cant pay you or lay golden eggs for whatever reason you can survive long enough to seek alternative employment, or sod off and work in Botswana! You moaners still cease to amaze me as the world shrinks for you!:= CM. |
Would love to hear when the staff at Blackpool who didn't get paid for two months and longer, who still stuck at training to get 95% of the deposited money on students accounts "flown off" are going to get paid!
From what I have read, beleive me guys and gals, you don't know the half of the !!!!! we had to put up with! But those thoughts shall remain in my own mind. |
Apology to Karl
Karl, please accept my apology for my reference to your problem in my last post. I have now removed it.
But, I think you would do yourself a favour by not getting deeply involved with DA. I guess flying is in your blood and you want to make a career as a pilot - there are still some decent people in aviation who could mentor you and would be far more worthy of your loyalty than the person in question. Best wishes for your future flying career. M30 |
Well cryptic at best, but negative and thoughtless for sure.
You must be another industry leach who just takes takes takes! CM |
Helicentre EGNH
Your pay is in dispute Ian !
Employers beware! I wonder why? Everyone else who is entitled to it will be paid as the CFS staff has. I have it on good authority debts from 2006 and 2007 for the Helicentre are being chased by creditors, and as we all know it wasn't a disley company then. He was prepared to invest in GA and they were waiting like the sideswiping, money grabbing sods we all know exist in the fringes of GA and live with the crumbs under the customer waiting room settees! All is not as clear cut as some of you make out, moaners! All I can see is we have lost yet another Investor in GA. We should be mourning not moaning! Have a look at the characteres who sold the businesses in the first place and apportion accordingly! People with money usually have high powered lawyers somewhere!:= CM. |
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