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Overhead joins
This might have been asked before.... or maybe I'm being over-pedantic.... or maybe I've misunderstood what someone else has said...
..... but which part of the procedure is the actual 'join' ? Let me explain.... I position overhead the airfield at 2000ft, and call 'overhead at 2000ft'... Then I go to the deadside and descend, calling 'descending deadside'... Then when at circuit hight I cross the upwind numbers in the circuit direction and call 'joining overhead' since at that point I am joining the circuit. Right ? Wrong ? Just plane silly ? |
I think the tradition is call overhead and decending deadside as you've suggested.. next call is downwind.
Technically when you cross the landing numbers and enter liveside you are crosswind if you want to make a call (could be useful if an aircraft is turning crosswind flying circuits as they'll be on a wider crosswind to you. |
You must report entering the ATZ Rule 45(6)(c), this usually accurs as you arrive overhead at 2000 ft and report Overhead. The overhead join commences when you arrive overhead the airfield, you may orbit to familiarise yourself with the aerodrome or commence the descent straight away, either way you are still joining over head. When you descend below 200 feet you call Deadside Descending so that other people know where you are. No further call is required until you report Downwind. CAP 413 Ch 4 Page 38
Then when at circuit hight I cross the upwind numbers in the circuit direction and call 'joining overhead' since at that point I am joining the circuit. |
OHJs
Easy and fun in a slow aircraft - different matter altogether in something slipperier where a more stabilised approach is required.
And then we have the safety issues of aircraft converging to join O/H. Give me downwind, base or straight in any day over an OHJ. SB |
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Quote: Then when at circuit hight I cross the upwind numbers in the circuit direction and call 'joining overhead' since at that point I am joining the circuit. WRONG! You report DOWNWIND. |
I have a feeling Whoopity meant to say downwind once you are downwind
Cheers |
I hate overhead joins. Very logical when not busy .... but on a sunny Sunday in the summer? I think OHJ's are a disaster waiting to happen when busy, so tend to ask for a different join in such circumstances.
SS |
Here is yr man......
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_gad...oin_poster.pdf be careful out there........ luv xxx f |
Here is yr man...... http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_gad...oin_poster.pdf be careful out there........ Some people say, if you are approaching from the dead side, that you descend on approach and go straight to the crosswind point at circuit height. That may be OK at many airfields, but it's not an overhead join; it's a crosswind join. I also don't like overhead joins, but I do whatever the airfield tells me to. The one advantage of OHJ is that it gives you more time to find the field and figure out where the runways are. For instance, finding Fenland at this time of year: one green field surrounded by a thousand other ones, all similar sizes... |
For instance, finding Fenland at this time of year: one green field surrounded by a thousand other ones, all similar sizes... |
Gee Pee Ess |
Originally Posted by Whopity
When you descend below 200 feet you call Deadside Descending so that other people know where you are. No further call is required until you report Downwind. CAP 413 Ch 4 Page 38
WRONG! You report DOWNWIND. |
So it's not just me that thought Whopity was a bit keen to shout there..
..what's your problem? |
Very logical when not busy .... but on a sunny Sunday in the summer? I think OHJ's are a disaster waiting to happen when busy, so tend to ask for a different join in such circumstances. I would counsel that to do a non-standard join at an uncontrolled airfield on such days is asking for trouble. If a particular airfield has a non-standard joining procedure (such as if parachuting is in progress), it will feature in the AIP. If you need to "ask" to do a non-standard join, then by implication you have an air traffic control service and you are required to follow their instructions anyway. |
Overhead join poster - this link should work a bit better
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_gad...oin_poster.pdf |
Overhead join poster - this link should work a bit better http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_gad...oin_poster.pdf |
sensible
I was taught, by an ex RAF instructor, and it will remain in my memory for ever, looks stupid, works great,
Get some chalk, and markout a runway on the ground, fairly big, then, walk it making the calls as you go, you can even get someone else involved and get him to do same, it works and sticks in your mind |
I asked the CAA this
Lovely colours! It shows a plane approaching from the live (circuit) side. What the diagram doesn't make clear is what you do if you are approaching from the dead side. What you're supposed to do is go to the overhead at 2000 feet (or whatever), than do an extra 180 in the circuit direction to join the blue path in the pretty diagram. Then you do another 450 degrees of turning (following the path in the diagram) to get on final, by which time you've turned a total of 630 degrees and are probably dizzy. Some people say, if you are approaching from the dead side, that you descend on approach and go straight to the crosswind point at circuit height. That may be OK at many airfields, but it's not an overhead join; it's a crosswind join. I also don't like overhead joins, but I do whatever the airfield tells me to. The one advantage of OHJ is that it gives you more time to find the field and figure out where the runways are. For instance, finding Fenland at this time of year: one green field surrounded by a thousand other ones, all similar sizes... Although, personally, I do a cross wind join.... |
Wouldn't that be "Crosswind" followed by "Downwind" when you actually are? Then when at circuit hight I cross the upwind numbers in the circuit direction and call 'joining overhead' since at that point I am joining the circuit. |
I think OHJ's are a disaster waiting to happen when busy |
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