Simming before PPL
 

Hey pilots,

I am 19 and I am about to start my PPL training really soon, just waiting for the answer from my aeroclub...

I have been flying the 777 for 6 years (virtually :*) using the PMDG on P3D on VATSIM (Virtual Air Traffic Simulation) following real-world procedures (or trying to) after reading the FCTM entirely, watching and rewatching again all the CBTs available on youtube, partially going through the FCOMs and QRH and casually practising emergency procedures and reviewing my memory items whenever I can. I have definitely the knowledge of a real 777 pilot :rolleyes: (no I don't believe it myself but that's what I am trying to achieve). I know that my first type rating won't be in a 777 but that's my favorite aircraft :)

Now we're entering again in the winter and winter is always associated with cold-weather operations. I know that when you deice your aircraft the fluid will protect you from ice during a small period of time (remembering that its primary purpose is deicing and not anti-icing). The holdover time tables will give you precise information about how much time the deicing fluid will protect you depending on which type of fluid you're using and the concentration of it. The problem is that when you take the HOT table on the internet, there are so much different possibilities besides the 4 common fluid types that I know, I believe depending on which surface you're deicing. Here's what I could find for 2021-2022: URL (couldn't put it because I don't have 10 posts yet). For example, you have TYPE II HOLDOVER TIMES FOR NEWAVE AEROCHEMICAL FCY-2 then later you have TYPE II HOLDOVER TIMES FOR CLARIANT SAFEWING MP II FLIGHT... What is the difference between the 2??

So my questions :
1. Is there an EASA similar document?
2. Why so many different tables for the same fluid type?
3. How do you know which type of fluid is being applied to your aircraft? (or which type of surface the fluid is being applied on)

Hope I was clear despite my poor English :)

The EASA Or UK CAA PPL can be obtained without knowledge of deicing procedures. Your School will handle any deicing if it is required.
My understanding is that none of the civilian trainers at present in use have similar handling characteristics and procedures to the 777.

I fly for an EASA operator and we follow Transport Canada HOT guidelines, The alternative is the one from the FAA. I have never come across an EASA equivalent document, but I've only flown for one operator so far.

There are several types of table because different fluids (and their brand) have different characteristics and properties, which are also affected by external factors. In my base we know well before leaving the crew room what type of fluid is in use, outstation we're usually told by the handling company or by the de-icing equipment crew on the associated frequency.

Now here comes a real world advice: ditch the 777 for a while, get a good add-on for MSFS2020 that will replicate the light airplane you will do your PPL on and practice with it, especially drills. MSFS2020 is especially great to prepare for VFR navigations when you get to that stage.

Welcome ELM,

Yeah, get away from a 777 simulation, and stop thinking about deicing - think don't fly an iced plane, nor a plane in ice - at all... and you'll be better off for your initial flying. You'll be trained for icing when you need to be.

There is a lot to know and understand about flying a light airplane, much of which has little commonality with a 777 - don't learn about jets until you need to, when you need to, learn then, you'll be ready. If you try to carry backward big airplane systems and handling knowledge to primary flight training, you're going to certainly defeat your own efforts, and really annoy you instructor. If you're defeating your own efforts with misplaced knowledge, and annoying your instructor, there are two certain results: It'll take longer, and cost you more money. If I were you, I would not mention jet flying at all - for years. I speak as a 45 year pilot, with 85 types in my logbook, not one of which was a jet!

If simming helps you with navigation, airspace and radio work, okay, with caution. But handling should be learned under the direct supervision of an instructor, in a real plane.

Thanks to everyone for answering my questions.

Now even though most of my flights are in the 777, I do still sometimes fly general aviation airplanes. A few years ago, I was flying on IVAO (another virtual platform simulating ATC mostly in Europe) but left because basically there are too many kids there. IVAO gives you the possibility to take exams like you would do in real life for the PPL forcing you to fly a light airplane.

The examiner will ask theoretical questions about

• Basics of air law: instrument and visual flight rules, weather requirements for VFR flights, airspace classes and structure, types of controlled airspaces, ATC units and positions, transponder codes,
• Chart reading
• VFR procedures: VFR charts interpretation and VFR circuit,
• Navigation: VFR routes, basic use of radio navigation aids, semi-circular rules, transition altitude and transition level,
• Meteorology: METAR and TAF interpretation,
• Flight instruments and aircraft knowledge: principles of altimetry, altimeter settings, airspeeds, basic flight instruments, aircraft characteristics.

During the flight, the examiner will also ask you to navigate between radials and VORs/NDB, fly traffic patterns, VFR entry points, touch and goes, check your VFR phraseology, etc and make sure you're doing it correctly.
Even though it's not near a real PPL exam, it really gives you the basics about VFR and what flying a light airplane looks like. I passed this exam 3 years ago and didn't stop flying light airplanes from time to time since then.
Later I passed another similar exam basically giving you your instrument qualification in a light aircraft.

So it's not like I didn't touch a light aircraft at all. I passed these exams on X-plane because I heard from real pilots that this sim was well-simulating flight characteristics of real airplanes. FS2020 wasn't released at this time but I am definitely planning on buying it and flying more often light airplanes on the sim. I'll take your advice into account and not mix jets with lights but I don't think I could stop flying the 777 entirely though. I believe it's possible to do both at the same time :)

I second exactly what Pilot DAR said. I wish I could have spoken to you before you went down this path. New students for the PPL who've spent far too much time on PC sims are really hard work for instructors, especially instructors who teach basic flying correctly by maximising the time looking through the perspex at the natural horizon and the rest of the sky (all around above and below) for the other traffic that could kill you and for situational awareness/visual nav. We often have to cover up one or more of the instruments to promote correct lookout. If the Asiana crew in San Francisco had only looked out the window..........................

and Pop up red flags for me. If these "examiners" and "exams" were a part of a regulator approved training program for a PPL course, in which you are enrolled, okay - but I doubt it.

Our industry has a few pilots (particularly since Covid) who are a little bored, and tend to insert themsleves into "training" outside of regulated courses. These pilots motivations might be altruistic mentoring, a little showing off what they know, and/or money. Maybe they ever were/are flying instructors - but it is unlikely that they are conducting themselves within the PPL training guidelines and curriculum. All of the topics you mention are at certain levels, elements of a PPL, and sure, there's learning to be achieved in there, but saturating your mind with things that you don't need to know yet (for PPL) may suppress absorbing the learning required for a PPL.

Remember the social expectation that when you receive a birthday gift with a card, you open and read the card first? The gift giver would like you to read and consider their kind sentiment in the card, before the present overwhelms you, and you forget the card entirely.

Approved simulators certainly have merit in advanced training. But, that merit is built on the candidate pilot having learned a real fear of consequences. A qualified pilot receiving sim training [hopefully] already understands the criticality of a minor screw up, resulting in a crash - sims cannot train that, and actually defeat that learning. Further to that, sims give you zero sense of taking sole responsibility for returning yourself to earth safely - no consequences to a screw up! Actual pilot training will teach you to be afraid!

With 6000 hours fixed wing, I took helicopter training. The sky was my welcoming friend after all those decades of being there. The twitchy helicopter was not yet my friend. It kept warning me that much more of this or that, and we'd be a rotating ball on the ground - I was really nervous on my first few solo flights! A sim not only cannot teach that, but actually teaches you to not worry about it!

Your greatest real piloting success going forward from here will be to not sim at all, unless the training course tells you to. Enroll in ground school and learn exactly as the course leads you - don't mention your simming at all! Then start your training at a flying school, and learn as taught - don't mention your simming at all!

One day, as you advance your training into commercial and airline, you'll be put back in a sim, and you can relax and go ahhhh... Until then, do your training as we did - approved course and curriculum!

Would you believe that I learned to fly at a time when there was no such thing as a personal computer, in an airplane with only one comm radio - and then I graduated to an airplane with no electrical system at all!

I can confirm all the above reserves from my own experience as a student pilot. Having "flown" thousands of hours on MSFS, I drove more than one instructor to despair by looking at the instruments all the while. Best thing you can do is to forget everything you "learned" in the simulation game, and start with a blank mind.

And forget about de-icing, you are many hours of flying from the need. If ever the point becomes relevant, you can rely on the club/airfield management to keep an eye on you. There are very few, if any, club planes certified for FIKI.

NB are you going to learn at EBGB Grimbergen? If so, your time might be better spent at brushing up your Dutch :)

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If these "examiners" and "exams" were a part of a regulator approved training program for a PPL course

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I really doubt it

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A qualified pilot receiving sim training [hopefully] already understands the criticality of a minor screw up, resulting in a crash - sims cannot train that, and actually defeat that learning.

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I would love to say that I am completely aware of that but I don't know if I can, based on my sim experience only. Reading reports of crashes/incidents really shows you how small details can easily cause crashes. None of my flights online led to a crash but in the sim, there are tons of factors that are irrelevant but aren't IRL (icing for e.g.).

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Your greatest real piloting success going forward from here will be to not sim at all, unless the training course tells you to. Enroll in ground school and learn exactly as the course leads you - don't mention your simming at all! Then start your training at a flying school, and learn as taught - don't mention your simming at all!

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So would someone that has never heard of airplanes before learn quicker than someone who has thousands of hours of sim behind? Even if that simmer learnt some great things in its virtual career? When you're simming there are tons of rumours about how you should fly an airplane. Once I met someone convinced that flaring was made by trimming only and not using the yoke except to stay in the centerline. This guy might probably take a bit longer to get his first solo.. (unless I am the one completely wrong...)
I know that training is always the first priority. If my instructor teaches me something I'll definitely not come in and say hey that's not what I learnt in the sim but if the training matches what I learnt in the past then it can only be advantageous for me couldn't it?

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I can confirm all the above reserves from my own experience as a student pilot. Having "flown" thousands of hours on MSFS, I drove more than one instructor to despair by looking at the instruments all the while.

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Heard it multiple times. I'll definitely try to not make that mistake. In the sim, looking outside is quite boring as you always need to move your camera so you tend to rely more on instruments.

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And forget about de-icing, you are many hours of flying from the need.

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My deicing question was more for curiosity than any other thing :8

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NB are you going to learn at EBGB Grimbergen? If so, your time might be better spent at brushing up your Dutch

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I am really bad at dutch. :\ I thought about going there, even visited the club but went for the Roger Sommer aeroclub instead because it's cheaper and a friend of mine has also started his training here so I will be able to see his flights from the backseat which I think is a great learning experience as you can learn from his mistakes in addition to your own mistakes and therefore improve 2 times faster. :)

I'll answer that with a "could be..." in the context of learning to fly a very simple GA airplane in a VFR only environment. Think of it this way, if you've never ridden a bicycle, would thousands of hours of driving help you with that? Not much... Rules of the road a little, yes, but the bicycle is a whole different vehicle to control compared to a car, just as a light GA plane is to an airliner.

I have on several occasions, trained airline pilots to fly advanced GA amphibious airplanes. I knew that they had thousands of hours of jet flying, they knew that they had it. We both agreed at the very beginning, that it had very little value in the training we were about to do. Indeed (as is a bit too common), all that airliner time got one pilot in a very dangerous situation, as he selected wheels down for landing, and confirmed wheels down. His serious error was that this was a planned and briefed water landing. He completely put his ego away after that. I've had to train a number of pilots for something new, compared to their prior experience. My very best success has come with pilots who have said to me: "Teach me as though I know nothing, and we'll see where we get to.".

Your best success in learning to fly a small airplane in an approved flight training environment will come after you step away from simming, and focus entirely on the approved training curriculum (which will not include simulators). 'Just free advice, from someone who knows...

At the risk of being more outspoken than the wise :) I'd answer that with "most likely, yes". As said, the simmer will first have to "unlearn" many things acquired, before learning can begin.

Cheese us! That's at LFSJ Sedan-Douzy, right? Two hours' stiff driving from Brussels? Excuse me for becoming more and more sceptical. Yes, the hourly rate for the plane may be cheaper, and the French have a strong tradition of disciplined training, believing very much in self-control. But will the difference in rates make up for the road trips? Including those wasted because of suddenly inclement weather, plane broken, instructor ill, runway closed due a visiting family of boars, &c &c?

Also, be aware that a PPL gained in France may allow you to fly in Belgian airspace, but like as not you will learn the radio in French which is neither legal nor practical in the rest of Europe - Belgium included. Get the facts straight before spending money!

I think you've just proved Pilot DAR's point perfectly. If you were one of mine, you'd be annoying me already. For the avoidance of doubt, flying instructors don't instruct on the basis that you'll try to take their advice into account - and you then totally ignore what they say. That is exactly the sort of breath-taking arrogance and 'I know better then you' attitude that will cost you time and money.

I've seen them all, like the student who knew I was wrong and he was correct that when flying from A to B with a cross wind the plane need a bit of rudder to keep it straight, because when he sails his boat across a tidal river he always needs a bit of rudder to keep it straight etc, etc. I think there's every chance you'll be just like him. He knew everything. Absolutely everything.. But he couldn't learn anything. Because he would never listen. And by the way, he never went solo.

From what you've said already, I have a hunch you're likely to be coming back here 20 hours into your training to moan "I've had 4 instructors so far... and none of them were any good... none of them seem to be able to teach me how to land properly... none of them listened to me when I said they were wrong on this, that or the other technicality... do you think I should be looking to go to another school with better instructors?"

I flew with a colleague recently in a PA28 who has thousands of hours msfs sim time.

When I let him take the controls he was having a massive problem keeping the wings level or the pitch constant.

After 5 minutes of porpoising around the sky we discussed what was going on.

He’s quite a nice chap and it was enlightening, he said

The yoke didn’t have the effects he was used to, he couldn’t believe how responsive a real plane is, how it feels when you do things, and how hard it is.

The instrumentation wasn’t as clear, I explained we had a much better horizon out of the front window and we don’t really fly along just looking at the panel as he was. We glance at it now and then. He was trying to watch it.

So, what he was actually trying to do was fly as if in IMC without being trained in the proper way to do an instrument scan. He was randomly looking around the panel.

of course, you can manage a flight sim randomly looking around the panel, even with the small bit of IMC training I have, I know a proper scan is important in a real aircraft.

his last point was about feelings, he thought it odd being able to feel the plane moving.

I heard him telling someone a few weeks later

”I’m not sure I’d do it again, at one point we must have dropped about 2000 feet”, which would have been a neat trick when we were flying about 2500’ AGL!

Anyway, a message to the OP, I’m sure you’ll be fine, I’d post more, but I’m off to have a go on my Formula One sim, I can nearly do the same lap times as Lewis Hamilton, I’m pretty sure therefore I’d be able to actually drive an F1 car in real life, my sim is after all very realistic.

I know that sounds a bit like I am being sarcastic (I am), but really it’s just an insight into how people view someone who says they can fly real aircraft because they are good at msfs.

You’ll love real aircraft, but I’d forget about the simming for a bit whilst learning to fly.



Out of complete interest, and genuinely not trying to belittle you, you say you have a sim IR. What is the order of your scan? Was you taught one?

One other thing, simming without pedals and calling it flying may kill you.
If you have ever done stall recovery incorrectly, and picked up a dropped wing without use of your feet, in a real aircraft if you try that you’ll be spinning towards the ground.
I presume you’ve done stall recovery if you have an IR?

Again, I’m not having a go at you, I’m interested in how the simming world views itself and how it views real flying.

I may play the odd F1 game, but I am aware I could not drive a real F1 car.

When I started flying I had crazy problems steering while taxiing. I suspect it was years with go-karts as a kid which reversed my instincts. I used a basic SIM with pedals to fix that and lock-in the correct instinct, that definitely helped. Other than that, I used the SIM to lock-in and speed-up emergency procedures, but only after they had been established in real life. So pretty basic stuff! And supplementing real-world experience, not replacing it.

That comment is almost worth a thread all to itself!

If you try and pick up a dropped wing with aileron in a real aircraft, you’ll stall the wing fully and it gets exciting.

The rudder isn’t stalled and you can use the secondary effect of yaw to pick the wing up.

I don’t know why that would need a thread of it’s own. That’s part of basic stall recovery.


I’d be interested if the OP was aware of this, if they’d even done any stall training to get their sim licences. I think them stating they have a sim IR is the most worrying bit tbh.

Look, I'm not saying this is a Troll. That would be rude and maybe unwarranted. However, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then consider the possibility that it might go well with orange sauce.

oh yea....doh...

Yes exactly. It is easier to teach someone from scratch than it is for someone to unlearn bad habits, then relearn good ones. Your flight Simulation hobby could cost you dearly.

PC flight simulators might be more helpful for early IFR understanding, so later on in the process. Link trainer style. But only if the real procedures, maps and routes are used.
The best initial actual flying training is done on gliders from my view. So better spend the money on a basic glider course instead of expensive add ons and cockpit panels. That's more bang for the buck.

ELMS77W - the FAA defines five hazardous attitudes and provides tips on how to overcome them.

I can paraphrase one of them as "I know more than you do, so you can't tell me what to do." Here are my thoughts before you go take a look in the mirror:

A 777 pilot would think you are a gamer.

You have no clue about real flying, but you do have demonstrated repeated defensive responses to the advice being presented.

Your attitude will alienate instructors, club members, and fellow student pilots.

You are unwilling to listen to experienced people who truly know what they are doing trying to help you; after all, you can fly a 777 on a computer. Most of the people here don't have a wide-body jet type rating. Oh, wait. Neither do you. Oh, you've sim'd a Piper too. So, that makes it all good. (That's sarcasm.)

You are likely to end up paying much, much more to get to solo and to becoming a private pilot because of bad habits to overcome and an unwillingness to listen to the experts because you, after all are the chief pilot of Walter Mitty Air.

Here's my suggestion - stop with the sim. Go fly a glider. A lot. Get a glider license. Learn aerobatics. At this point you've trained yourself to look almost exclusively outside. Now go learn to fly an airplane.

If you can't break the negative superior attitude I'd have to agree with the comment that one day you'll be here complaining about too many instructors and no progress, blah, blah, blah.

Good luck!

Yes, I thought about that Piper.Classique, but whether a troll or not, the advice is good and solid. Other real people, pilot want to be's, will be well served by it as they quietly read it to themselves!

The difference between real flying and playing with P3D or similar , no matter the numbers of hardware you can fit it , is like the difference between having s@x and watching it from the keyhole.

Troll? How harsh. But Porteous Loopy is definitely making long lists for their fishing trip.

Standard Stall Recovery - Control Column centrally forward until symptoms stop, full power, roll wings level, climb away. Forget dropped wing until it is unstalled then use aileron. Using rudder while the aircraft is stalled is asking for trouble. That’s why it’s worth a thread of its own.

You won't even learn what trim is using only some PC. 777 tested or not.

Never did I say you or any people there were wrong. I am just trying to share with you my thoughts and let professional pilots correct me if I am wrong.

I said "I don't think I could stop flying the 777 entirely though. I believe it's possible to do both at the same time" and now that I am taking a step back I do realise that it was quite an arrogant response but again I didn't say that you were wrong. This is what I believe (or believed) and that's why I'm writing it down here. If I'm wrong then say it and please tell me why. I think it's more constructive to get someone to be a bit more defensive than having a person who stupidly says yes all the time to everyone without asking questions.
I am always trying to be open-minded. Aviation is a humbling experience and if you become arrogant you won't go anywhere and this thread is a great example to demonstrate it.
Stopping all of a sudden from flying jets in the sim will be difficult for me because I love doing it and I have been doing it for years but if my instructor tells me that I should stop, then I will stop if necessary.

Believe it or not, I am not a troll. Just someone who's about to start his flight training and somehow it already started there...

Based on my calculations yes. Now I took months to take that decision, consulted tons of people and I was really hesitating between the two. Also, my friend who's flying here is living in Charleroi so we would most of the time make our way together reducing car fuel prices quite a bit.
If you are convinced that I'm making a bad decision, then I don't know who I should be listening to.
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Just to clarify: I know I can't fly an airplane and can't land a 777 nor even a C172 like a type rated pilot would do. I'm conscious about the fact that most of the guys here are way much more experienced than me and I am not trying to teach them how to fly their airplanes just based on my desktop simulator experience. What I thought before opening this thread was that my flight sim experience could help me during my training and my career as an airline pilot.

Short story :
Whenever I am travelling, I write a small letter and send it to the flight deck. This letter basically tells the pilots I want to join them during the flight if they get time. Once, the captain who was a type rated instructor in Brussels Airlines took me in the flight deck shortly before leaving the blocks. He asked me tons of questions about myself and then proposed me to do the comms. I was quite surprised by that proposition. I was about to say no but he didn't even give me the time to do it. He showed me the PTT and gave me the headset and told me that we would shortly switch to Langen Radar when entering Germany. I asked for the callsign and he wrote it on a paper that he gave me after the flight for memory. This is how I did my first and my last communications with real ATC from the climb all the way down to the terminal. All the time they both told me that they were impressed by my radio communication, saying that I don't make common mistakes that many students do. All of that wouldn't have been possible without practising in the sim. There are other reasons why I thought simming could help for my courses, mostly based on outcomes coming from your trained colleagues or student pilots already flying. A few people think that I'm trolling and probably won't believe that story. That's your choice.

Like I said hundreds of times, I am consciously reading every single one of everyone's posts and will start my training with a different mind than I would if people here wouldn't have mentioned my flight MSFS experience. I do not intend to prioritise my flight sim habits over advice from experts if it turns out that the way I am flying airplanes isn't correct.
If I was the king in aviation, I don't think I would be there inquiring...

Last chap I sent first solo who was an avid Microsoft ‘airline pilot’ went in 7 hours. I cannot say it hampered him in anyway, apart from a poor understanding of maintaining aircraft balance with the rudder.

Hillarious!! Amazing how easy it is to get past the locked door policy in MS sims! ZZZZzzzzzz. Dreamer.

Actually over the air? That does require a radio operator's license.....

Based upon the replies you have received, I think the "if you're wrong" element has been established - You're wrong about this.

Fair enough. But, the information offered to you has shone a different light on the topic. The very most important personal quality a student pilot has, and an airline pilot has, is the willingness to take direction as it is offered, and not challenge authority. Tens of thousands of hours of piloting experience has collectively provided very authoritative advice for you here, simply out of a desire to encourage (in the right direction) an aspiring pilot - that's what we do here, we support and promote piloting. No one here will be your instructor nor second crew member (the odds are just too great of that!), so no one is personally affected by the decisions you make, nor your conduct as a student, nor a pilot. What you do in your life, is what you do, no one here knows anything other than what you say. You don't have to impress anyone here with your willingness to follow authority - 'doesn't matter.... But, experienced pilots here are telling you that the learning path choices you're making for yourself are not in your best interests - for free!

People make it through in life, even when stepping on their own shoelaces, it just takes them longer, costs them more, and the trip sometimes, hey, life is life, not everyone does it the same way... But... Chief pilots, when considering which candidate to hire, really do look to avoid hiring the type of pilot who bucks authority, and steps on their own shoelaces - so that will be where your career advancement will stop. Why work double hard toward a stop, instead of working wisely toward a path forward?

I love threads like this (and let's face it they appear pretty frequently). Why?
Because they remind me of what an arrogant know it all I was when I was young - and then I think that I didn't turn out too bad after all :)
Mind you PCs and home Sims didn't exist then.

Any real simulator is certified for a specific role. Game simulator advertisements claim a lot like being "developed" or "tested" by pilots. But this has no real world instructional value. It might give you some vague idea but it is no instructional tool and might even lead to wrong directions or bad habits. Whenever you want to get into real flying do real flying. Flight schools have PC sort of simulators that are useful but might be considered boring by gamers.

Haha! Me too! But, it didn't take long for some wise and experienced pilots to straighten me out. Back then it was mostly done in person, including turning their back and walking away from me. But, now, in the computer age, there's a need to translate that into typed posts....

It did not sound arrogant to me on the first read, nor does it now. Unlike the posts that followed, pointing fingers at what you did not say.

Keep your chin up, but for heaven's sake do take the good advice written by others here (despite its unnecessary wrapping).

1. Not sure.
2. Because the fluid is made by different companies and they certify their own tables for their fluid. So a type 4 from one company maybe different from a type 4 from a different company. Not very different, but it could be a couple of minutes here or there.
There are also generic tables, which maybe better suited for simming.
3. The ice team tells you what they used, including time of first application, and ratio of fluid 100% or 75%.
You can normaly get that info from the ground crew prior to starting the process so you can do the numbers before de-icing starts.
They de-ice all the iced areas, but tend to only anti-ice wings and the tail.

Dear ELMS77W
I am not sure which world you live in, but its not the real world. You are playing a computer game, that's all you are doing. You are not flying an AEROPLANE.
Real Flight simulators are very useful tools, to practice emergencies and develop specialist skills, they are not toys.
The problem with young people like this is that you think this sort of roll play replaces real knowledge and real skills, which it does not. Its not real world, in the real world people get killed or badly hurt because somebody screws up because they feel invincible as the toy game does not kill them.
Yes learn to fly properly in the real world, with an experienced instructor who knows what he is doing!
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ELMS77W

You need to forget everything you think you have “learnt” on your home computer, you are not a pilot and have never landed an aircraft, the techniques and feel of a real aircraft cannot be replicated in a simulator. In the same way someone who plays “call of duty” has not been in combat you have not been in an aircraft.

As an ex military instructor, airline TRE and PPL instructor I have seen many simmers who think they have some ability who have no ability whatsoever and even had a couple tell me I am teaching them wrongly by telling them to look out of the windows…

I strongly suspect you are a troll as your story about being on the flightdeck and making radio calls would be unprofessional in the extreme.

rant over.

Slimming before your aviation medical is often advantageous though.:)

Flying in a sim before actual training can be beneficial - however theres a couple of things you need to bear in mind:

1. Flying a basic trainer in real llife is very different to flying in a simulator. The technique that you use in a sim won't work in the plane - listen to what your instructor tells you and follow it! I've had issues with sim students previously who spend way too much time looking inside at instruments in a VFR trainer because "its the propper way to fly"... it isn't.

2. Forget IFR procedures for a while, being able to follow a NAVAID will be beneficial eventually... but it won't help you read a map.

3. "But in the sim" won't fly with an instructor... they're telling you things you need to hear/follow - Don't discount that information because "but in the sim", you'll be wasting your money and their time.