Do you mention amateur flying on your professional cv?
Ok, here's a strange one.
If you were to apply for a leadership position in an 'applied academic/research' setting, would you refer to your flying qualifications/experience in an 'outside interests' section?!! I see a lot of cv's, and people seem to put very dreary things in there - reading books and listening to music seems to be a common one! I personally would be impressed, as I guess most people here would, because it shows some diversity of interest and ability to stick at a task. But I wonder how 'normal' people, who have no idea what is involved in flying would react to such a statement? Maybe they would think I was a rich waster, or wonder why I am adding irrelevant stuff to an application for a serious position? What do you reckon? Do any of you do this? If it matters, I am a Brit and preparing an application to a US organization and it is likely to be reviewed by American Academic 'suits'. |
Personally I would say yes ... anything that shows:
OC619 P.S. For you CV don't trust spell checker to catch everything ... "recon" :uhoh: |
Yes - I just tailor what and how I say it to the role.
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I have a minimal mention: "Leisure: travelling by plane and campervan, playing music". It is rarely entered upon during interviews, the one time my leisure activities were discussed it was when the interviewer had an interest common with mine (at that time), editing OpenStreetMap.
P.S. I heartily second OC619's PS. At least over here, spelling is rather important to first line recruiters, it is an easy sieve for them. |
I would suggest that concentrating on things like not using an apostrophe in "cv's" or littering your sentences with exclamation marks may be more likely to create the right impression.
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Originally Posted by MaxR
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I would suggest that concentrating on things like not using an apostrophe in "cv's" or littering your sentences with exclamation marks may be more likely to create the right impression.
Thanks for your wise advice, but I suspect there is a difference between a post made from a phone via a web browser and a formal document !!!!!!!! |
You're welcome.
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I agree with both themes which have found their way into the replies. Yes, a brief mention of an unrelated skill or licensing achievement can add to the favourable impression the reader takes from your CV. The reference to flying on a CV should be brief, and not self aggrandizing, but enough that if the reader also happened to be a pilot, you now have something more in common.
And, I agree that unless the intent of a written passage is to deliberately convey a casual or humorous approach, its format, grammar and punctuation should be the best you can do. I consider a person's attention to detail in everything that they do. If they write with care, they will fly my plane with care, and apply care to the other things I might ask of them. If they're casual, the care I expect has not been demonstrated yet. Why pass up the opportunity to make the best first impression? I vigorously avoid "LOLs" and other abbreviations in my writing, and thy to either write out acronyms first, or use only those which I'm certain that the audience will understand. |
In academia I reckon it does not matter at all, maybe hurt to mention it. In industry and getting applications for leadership roles I welcome skills showing a certain basic knowledge on decision making, as a private pilot license.
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If you're a proper PPL, you should be able to mention it once on the CV, three times at the interview, daily (should you get the job), and as often as possible at all other times.
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Best not to mention it. But talking about the piano playing gigs in the brothel is OK.
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Originally Posted by Genghis the Engineer
(Post 10665370)
Yes - I just tailor what and how I say it to the role.
G |
Originally Posted by clareprop
(Post 10666185)
If you're a proper PPL, you should be able to mention it once on the CV, three times at the interview, daily (should you get the job), and as often as possible at all other times.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ef1270a367.jpg SND |
And what to do if one is an improper PPL?
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And what to do if one is an improper PPL |
Originally Posted by OpenCirrus619
(Post 10665360)
P.S. For you CV don't trust spell checker to catch everything ... "recon" :uhoh:
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Originally Posted by Sir Niall Dementia
(Post 10666198)
OTOH, no-one I work with knows about my secret flying activities. |
Wear your PPL wings to interview 😁
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Originally Posted by neilmac
(Post 10666736)
Wear your PPL wings to interview 😁
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....97a5314892.jpg But seriously, if I were to see a cv with a PPL (or indeed a YM offshore), I would know the candidate has some commitment and some ideas beyond their work and they would go up in my estimation. But I am not the target for my cv, and it is unlikely that anyone here is either. So I wondered if the 'what a w*****r' reactions would outweigh the 'he must be a decent chap' responses. I want the job and need all the help I can get! |
We seem to have strayed into 'how do you know there’s a pilot at your party?' territory...
I think a PPL is similar to, say, putting grade 8 piano on a CV - it does prove sustained effort over a long period. The only reason I’d omit it would be if I knew the interviewer would have a problem with it; e.g. they were a known Eco-warrior. |
I think there are a whole bunch of other skills that are relevant and that flying can demonstrate - multi-tasking, working under pressure, being a good communicator, and many others. I would (and do) include it and explain briefly the skills it brings relevant to the job on offer... I personally think that to omit this would be selling yourself short!
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multi-tasking, working under pressure, being a good communicator, So I wondered if the 'what a w*****r' reactions would outweigh the 'he must be a decent chap' |
When I read a cv, it is because we are looking for appropriate skills and experience, not chaps or chapesses to have a chat and a drink with. Yachtmasters, ppls etc are a double edged sword. Yes, they suggest other skills to people 'in the know' - but equally they show a significant effort outwith professional development. (ask me how I know!).
Anything more than a single line mention would entirely confirm those fears about focus. As would poor spelling, mindless punctuation and text talk. Hence the middle part of this thread and many the crashing bores, who will regal anyone daft enough to listen, about the high skill levels necessary to keep a C150 in the air |
I put upwardly mobile on my CV...
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A quick mention in a list of leisure activities may be good (provided it's not the only leisure activity), but don't put it on tinder/grindr.
"How do you know when you're half way through your first date with a pilot? He says 'Enough about me, let's talk about flying'" "Never ask your date if he's a pilot. If he is, he'll soon tell you." |
I once applied for a job with DERA, I was asked at the interview if my flying activities were likely to take priority over the job. Fortunately they did and I found a better job.
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Definitely include - It’s useful and mostly effective as a conversation point in seriously executed interviews, which helps immensely when building a rapport with the interviewer and gets you their attention.
In more junior roles it might be useful where industry experience examples are lacking as It corroborates certain traits (decision making, working under pressure etc). In experienced roles though I’d never use that as a lead example unless the question was, or you wanted to make clear, it’s how do you demonstrate an attribute or conduct yourself personally outside the work environment. A good interviewer will look for relevant examples and if it was a choice between candidates, all things equal, they will go with the most relevant evidence. If it was a business context, and the question is how you change your decision making style in emergencies, you’d pick some one who talked about an example in a business context over someone who talked about declaring a mayday. The advantage you have is that if you gave both they’d go with you. |
Originally Posted by MaxR
(Post 10665597)
I would suggest that concentrating on things like not using an apostrophe in "cv's" or littering your sentences with exclamation marks may be more likely to create the right impression.
On the other hand to describe music and books as dreary, and thus to condemn two of the greatest art forms in the history of humanity, is surely unforgivable... |
But shirly the 'itae' is already a plural and the plural (or for that matter a possessive " 's ") is redundant.
Originally Posted by ppruined
(Post 10669527)
Actually it is entirely legitimate to use an apostrophe in cv’s. It indicates that the letters itae are omitted. Not to use one would also be ok. It’s a matter of preference.
On the other hand to describe music and books as dreary, and thus to condemn two of the greatest art forms in the history of humanity, is surely unforgivable... |
But shirly the 'itae' is already a plural and the plural (or for that matter a possessive " 's ") is redundant. 'Curriculum Vitae' is like 'Court Martial' - the second word complements the first, and the first word changes to show the plural. Thus the plurals are Courts Martial and Curricula Vitae. |
Originally Posted by Innominate
(Post 10669632)
Don't call me Shirley...
'Curriculum Vitae' is like 'Court Martial' - the second word complements the first, and the first word changes to show the plural. Thus the plurals are Courts Martial and Curricula Vitae. |
Why not use the (probably old-fashioned) "resume" instead of cv? Solves a few issues, and is clear and unequivocal.
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Originally Posted by ppruined
(Post 10669527)
On the other hand to describe music and books as dreary, and thus to condemn two of the greatest art forms in the history of humanity, is surely unforgivable...
I once interviewed someone in Liverpool whose address was Whitworth Street. I asked them if they knew who Whitworth was and they had no idea. I made a brief attempt to engage them about the importance of a standard thread in enabling the industrial revolution. They showed not a flicker of interest or understanding and, after being rejected, complained to HR about being asked irrelevant questions. I always think that I dodged a bullet by not employing that person, in part because of their lack of awareness of their city's industrial history. |
Originally Posted by Jan Olieslagers
(Post 10669675)
Why not use the (probably old-fashioned) "resume" instead of cv? Solves a few issues, and is clear and unequivocal.
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Hehe, that is quite an eye-opener, OC619 - thank you!
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Originally Posted by OpenCirrus619
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Well, this is getting us far from aviation, mods are welcome to prune (haha) as they see fit. With that reserve, regarding
I had to tweak my CV for every job I applied for. |
WIth the modern tendency to do everything with online forms, there's a running joke particularly in academia that the reason it's called a CV is that once you have it populated, it's then a regular process of...
CTRL-C CTRL-V. Much truth in jest sometimes. G |
Originally Posted by double_barrel
(Post 10665323)
Ok, here's a strange one.
If you were to apply for a leadership position in an 'applied academic/research' setting, would you refer to your flying qualifications/experience in an 'outside interests' section?!! What do you reckon? Do any of you do this? If it matters, I am a Brit and preparing an application to a US organization and it is likely to be reviewed by American Academic 'suits'. Do you know what sort of CV are they looking for? I've never seen an academic CV that had 'outside interests' and I don't think it would leave a good impression if it did. For an academic CV keep it to the standard template: education and employment history, skills/ research interests, grants, publications and key talks. I moved from academia to industry recently but used an academic CV as they were obviously looking for a scientist and it (perhaps) looked a bit more credible. If you wanted something more corporate, then I imagine that there is more freedom to play around with it. Either way, I'd keep outside interests very low-key in any CV but I would think that flying qualifications could demonstrate professionally relevant skills to a much greater degree than some things that people put down. |
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