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piperboy84 11th Nov 2017 17:15

Circuit joining etiquette
 
What's the general consensus or accepted practice for joining the circuit with no or light traffic? Do folks only do the overhead if it's swarming or do they fly the overhead regardless?

tescoapp 11th Nov 2017 17:28

Always overhead in case some weight shift microlight is screwing around not speaking to anyone on the radio.

It doesn't prevent them cutting you up on finals but at least it gives you a chance to spot them.

eckhard 11th Nov 2017 18:21

Aahh, the 'standard overhead join'! If only it was 'standard'. Some airfields seem to have developed their own joining patterns, no doubt for good reason (gliders, helos, parachutes, local noise, etc.)

Depends a bit on the level of the local Air Traffic Service and the availability of radio. If in doubt, I ask what they would like me to do. If there's no-one around, I check the signal square (if there is one) and join overhead.

If you make contact early enough, it's not normally a problem to arrange a straight-in, base leg or downwind join.

Jim59 11th Nov 2017 18:32

My local airfield launches gliders by winch to up to 3,000' above the surface. an overhead join could be fatal!

Tay Cough 11th Nov 2017 19:21

I check with the ground that there is no reported traffic, in which case I’ll join on the most convenient circuit leg (which at my base is standard if there are aeros in the overhead). Otherwise, the published join.

Jan Olieslagers 11th Nov 2017 19:53

Do as requested by the aerodrome operator. It doesn't get any simpler.

But as not many fields require having radio, let alone using it, it is indeed wise to look out for those flying without speaking out. Even where radio is mandatory, there may be a plane with the radio broken, or accidentally tuned incorrectly (been there, done that - until I began to see planes in the circuit and not hearing from them).

fireflybob 11th Nov 2017 21:03


Circuit joining "etiquette"
Within an ATZ I thought there were certain "rules" one was supposed to obey such as "conform to the pattern of traffic formed by other aircraft". If you are 100% sure there is no other traffic notwithstanding local noise and other procedures you don't need to conform therefore you may do a direct join. That said an Air/Ground facility is not entitled to provide an Air Traffic Service and there is always the possibility of a non radio which you may not be aware of.

Another rule is that all turns within the ATZ are to the left unless ground signals or the ground station indicates otherwise.


Depends a bit on the level of the local Air Traffic Service and the availability of radio. If in doubt, I ask what they would like me to do.
It is not within the remit of an A/G or AFISO to do this - all they are entitled to do is provide information and it is then entirely up the pilot as to what action to take. The only exception would be AFISO where they have jurisdiction over aircraft on the ground.

That said however you join keep a good lookout and listen out to build/maintain situational awareness.

effortless 11th Nov 2017 23:52

Listen to ATIS and act accordingly.

chevvron 12th Nov 2017 03:16


Originally Posted by piperboy84 (Post 9954025)
What's the general consensus or accepted practice for joining the circuit with no or light traffic? Do folks only do the overhead if it's swarming or do they fly the overhead regardless?

In the UK, you could always try asking when you phone for PPR.

chevvron 12th Nov 2017 03:20


Originally Posted by tescoapp (Post 9954035)
Always overhead in case some weight shift microlight is screwing around not speaking to anyone on the radio.

It also allows you to study the Signals Square if they're one of the rare airfields still to have one.

tescoapp 12th Nov 2017 05:22

To be honest these days I wouldn't trust what's in it with an apparently empty airfield of traffic.

You have no way of knowing if it was updated 10 mins ago or 2 weeks ago.

As Perth has been mentioned I had a case there where I had landed on the into wind runway and on the roll out spotted a weight shift microlight turning finals in the opposite direction at about 200 ft. Slammed the breaks on to come to a stop and pulled the mixture at the side of the runway. He wasn't talking on the radio, Scottish info had no clue that he was about. He landed anyway.

The subsequent discussion he wouldn't hear anything that he was in the wrong and shouldn't have landed. One of the locals said he was more than likely on fumes. I believe he is now dead after smacking into Scottish mountain.

India Four Two 12th Nov 2017 05:59


I once met traffic coming the other way as I was downwind
Same thing happened to me on my one and only flight from Sandown. Downwind RH, nearly had a head-on with a 150, who was downwind LH for the reciprocal runway. Extra attention required when an airfield has some right-hand circuits.

"I learnt about flying from that!"

Pass your message 12th Nov 2017 09:45

Circuit joining procedures
 
http://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/10-19...-february-1970



Quite a haunting circuit joining tale .

dont overfil 12th Nov 2017 12:10

Most Aeroclubs and airfields have written standard operating procedures. Members of the Scottish Aero Club at Perth are required to sign annually to say they have read them. They are also available on line.

There are some interesting little nuggets of information which are worth digesting. There is also the AIP as a last resort.

#Airpolice, I sympathise with you. We can make the information available but we cannot guarantee that pilots will act on it.

NorthSouth 12th Nov 2017 15:27

Ahhh, Perth! Took a student there a while ago for some experience away from base. Planned for an OHJ and as we did so it became clear the "runway in use" was 33 but there was a solo student (not cleared for grass) taking off from 03 to depart to the east from the overhead on a navex and a microlight opting to depart from 27. We managed to let the departing student climb safely through our level in the overhead then positioned for 03 (my student also not checked out on grass), avoiding the 27 departure. As we called final 03 so did someone else for 33 - on a constant bearing to our right. A game of chicken then ensued, which we lost by going around (but TBH I'm not convinced the other guy was playing - the evidence pointed to him being blissfully unaware of our presence).
All good clean fun although my student wasn't as amused as I was :\

dont overfil 12th Nov 2017 15:44


Originally Posted by TangoAlphad (Post 9954207)
Dunno what it is like these days but during my stretch there that was a recurring theme with several aircraft/owners although I belive it was cracked down on..

You may remember two were persuaded to give up. Both had strokes in the past and weren't even allowed to drive!

They were so far behind the aircraft that if it had crashed they would be all right as they were a mile behind it!:eek:

Talkdownman 12th Nov 2017 15:57


Originally Posted by dont overfil (Post 9954687)
There is also the AIP as a last resort

The AIP should be the FIRST resort...

dont overfil 12th Nov 2017 19:51


Originally Posted by Talkdownman (Post 9954880)
The AIP should be the FIRST resort...

Sarcasm😈😈😈
For minimum characters.

Crash one 12th Nov 2017 20:41


Originally Posted by dont overfil (Post 9955093)
Sarcasm😈😈😈
For minimum characters.

Sarchasm:- The gulf between constructive criticism and downright rudeness.

Must get up there again one day Pete.

Talkdownman 12th Nov 2017 22:55

Not sarcasm at all. The AIP is the definitive reference document.


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