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Snyggapa 28th Dec 2016 09:24

A new prop and wheel mount and all will be just fine?

https://mauricejohnkirk.files.wordpr...-trackmark.jpg

bgbazz 28th Dec 2016 09:30

The guy in the purple shirt looks a little doubtful.

Jonzarno 28th Dec 2016 16:36

Where did he get that hat? Perhaps he is relying on voodoo to help get it fixed?

http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/...psvhdy8jj0.jpg

:p

Mark 1 28th Dec 2016 17:26


the repair and/or maintenance of a certified airplane requires the parts specified for that aircraft by type
The aircraft concerned does not have a standard CofA and is flying under an LAA approved permit to fly. So the authority for approving repairs lies with the LAA either directly or through an authorised inspector.
And, as that permit only authorises flight in UK airspace, it implies that flight authorisation needs to be obtained for each foreign state that is transitted, with any restrictions they choose to apply.

I've no idea to what extent this is being done 'by the book'. One may only guess!

Jonzarno 28th Dec 2016 20:55

As may have been shown by an even more famous "Aviatrix": I'd have thought it might be easier just to mail him the data plate and a (substantial) cheque?......... :p

Fly-by-Wife 29th Dec 2016 00:11

Jonzarno - The Mad Hatter, more like!

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qim...t_to_webp=true

FBW

Above The Clouds 29th Dec 2016 17:12

Being rebuilt slowly and now has a running engine.


https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net...3d&oe=58DE65C4

neilmurg 30th Dec 2016 23:25

@Above The Clouds
I know you took the first photo (unattributed) from me, and modified my text. Where did you get the second one?

Above The Clouds 31st Dec 2016 10:52


Originally Posted by neilmurg (Post 9625262)
@Above The Clouds
I know you took the first photo (unattributed) from me, and modified my text. Where did you get the second one?

From the same place as this one, I have removed the first image for you.

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net...70&oe=58F1C1E8

9 lives 31st Dec 2016 11:08

As my daughter would say: "OMG!"

It looks as though the leading edge man had to change to a bigger rock with which to pound dents. I wonder if he'll be pounding out the crushed ribs as well!? I am open to hearing that the post repair and inspection G=KURK, was issued a UK flight permit, which was validated by the local aviation authority for a limited ferry flying to a place suitable for a proper repair. Any flying that 'plane does beyond that, or without such authority is irresponsible, and sets a very poor example for other impressionable pilots.

While considering the profile of that leading edge, ask yourself as a pilot, would you fly it that way? If your wing had frozen snow/ice irregularly accumulated to 1/4" thickness, would you fly it?

Out of courtesy, I must allow for the possibility that Mr. Kirk will have commissioned and excellent and conforming repair to his Cub, including the necessary structural inspections, so he's not guilty of flying a defective and unsafe aircraft - unless he does....

There is a lesser standard for a ferry permit limited aircraft, there maybe a very slightly lesser standard for an LAA aircraft, but it is negligent to fly an aircraft which does not conform to its flight authority.

RatherBeFlying 31st Dec 2016 15:48

Having once bent a suspension A-frame, the advice was to leave it bent as bending it back would fatally weaken it.

I defer to the more knowledgeable as to the structural role of G-KURK's leading edge at that location.

Chuck Glider 31st Dec 2016 15:54

I'd be more concerned about possible damage to the wing spar than to a few ribs.

Old Nic 31st Dec 2016 16:38

Why is he letting this geezer do it, instead of doing it himself?, He is far more capable than this burk with a rock, is Maurice still too ill to manage?

At this point, I'm not sure Mr Kirk isn't just stage managing a misleading episode of the comic strip presents
Or maybe he has just lost it completely

Above The Clouds 31st Dec 2016 17:14

He plans to fly 2nd Jan 2017.

https://mauricejohnkirk.wordpress.co...ll-use-a-road/


https://mauricejohnkirk.files.wordpr...-loki-work.jpg

9 lives 31st Dec 2016 18:09


He plans to fly 2nd Jan 2017.
Then he truly will be an embarrassment to general aviation. The leading edge of that wing does not come close to being considered airworthy. No pilot in their right mind would fly a 'plane whose airfoil was that disrupted by ice and snow, this is aerodynamically no different.

When one wing stalls 5MPH faster than the other one, and the 'plane spins, who will MK blame?

Crash one 1st Jan 2017 16:20

That's provided he flies it to book max/min speeds. I don't think he is that stupid.
I'm sure a few aircraft crossed the North Sea 70 yrs ago in a far worse state than that.

9 lives 1st Jan 2017 16:53


I'm sure a few aircraft crossed the North Sea 70 yrs ago in a far worse state than that.
Yes, but those aircraft were returning from urgent efforts under extreme duress, as opposed to departing on a recreational activity. I wonder in KURK will takeoff with a log book entry stating that the the repairs were done in accordance with approved/acceptable data, and that the aircraft is airworthy?

We should not condone a lesser standard of airworthiness just because a character would like to continue a recreational journey without due diligence in repair and maintenance following a crash - particularly when that individual is flying a G aircraft outside the UK, and seemingly "representing" private recreational aviation.

Flyingmac 1st Jan 2017 17:11

As a Scot, I resent that remark. Judging by his fondness for flying the Welsh flag, Maurice might too.;)


Thanks for the edit Step Turn. Bliadhna Mhath Ùr to you and my friends in Nova Scotia.:)

Cazalet33 1st Jan 2017 18:09

If he makes to the Cape, which is improbable, it'll be despite the Hoorah Henrys (and Henriettas), not because of 'em.

In the very unlikely event of him doing so, I shall drink a toast to him. To that lying conniving wumman who claimed to have flown such a journey solo on her own efforts: not so much. To the pompous bunch of dining clowns who are so very obviously not at all "honourable": one would hope that he moons them all.

Above The Clouds 1st Jan 2017 19:15

Not long before flight
 
https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net...5a&oe=591AD00B

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net...46&oe=58EE35A8

Good luck Maurice I hope you have a safe flight.

rusty sparrow 1st Jan 2017 21:01

Maurice sticking two fingers up at old age and living the words of Dylan Thomas. Good luck to him!

Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night

'Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.'

ericferret 1st Jan 2017 22:11

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarch...0-%200430.html

Bear Attacks Plane, Pilot Fixes Plane With Duct Tape, Pilot Flies Duct-Taped Plane Home

Recovering aircraft from difficult situations often requires imagination and balls.
I wish Maurice well.

Crash one 1st Jan 2017 23:38


Originally Posted by Step Turn (Post 9626756)
Yes, but those aircraft were returning from urgent efforts under extreme duress, as opposed to departing on a recreational activity. I wonder in KURK will takeoff with a log book entry stating that the the repairs were done in accordance with approved/acceptable data, and that the aircraft is airworthy?

We should not condone a lesser standard of airworthiness just because a character would like to continue a recreational journey without due diligence in repair and maintenance following a crash - particularly when that individual is flying a G aircraft outside the UK, and seemingly "representing" private recreational aviation.

Whether recreational or survival I think is irrelevant, in either case it is considered necessary by the pilot.
A logbook entry is not going to hold the aircraft together, nuts and bolts do that, regardless of bits of paper.
I wouldn't believe that the old trailblazers over Canada wouldn't have done the same if the need arose. It's only today's society's rules that say it "can't be done".
Let's see it fly before commenting on the competence of the engineering.
This guy is representing the spirit of DOING it, anyone with two brain cells wouldn't believe that normal, every day GA is practiced in this fashion.

9 lives 2nd Jan 2017 00:00


A logbook entry is not going to hold the aircraft together, nuts and bolts do that, regardless of bits of paper.
Of course not. However, a proper logbook entry is a record that the work required for the aircraft to be safe was performed, and by whom. The work required for the aircraft to be safe is a minimum for the aircraft to hold together.

Yes, I have flown some pretty scary looking damaged aircraft home from the bush for full repair. But, I did it after the required inspection, and with a flight permit. And the destination was not furthering a recreational trip, it was to a suitable repair facility.

Yes, guts and duct tape, but to get out the best you can, not to thumb your nose to safe flying practice, and continue outward on a trip of fancy.

Crash one 2nd Jan 2017 00:10


Originally Posted by Step Turn (Post 9627032)
Of course not. However, a proper logbook entry is a record that the work required for the aircraft to be safe was performed, and by whom. The work required for the aircraft to be safe is a minimum for the aircraft to hold together.

Yes, I have flown some pretty scary looking damaged aircraft home from the bush for full repair. But, I did it after the required inspection, and with a flight permit. And the destination was not furthering a recreational trip, it was to a suitable repair facility.

Yes, guts and duct tape, but to get out the best you can, not to thumb your nose to safe flying practice, and continue outward on a trip of fancy.

We don't yet know his intentions once airborne, he may agree and get to a suitable "new wings and Cub bits shop" somewhere in the bush.
Give him a chance.
Like it's said. Fools and women shouldn't see things half finished.

hobbit1983 2nd Jan 2017 17:20

If MK wants to repair his aircraft and fly on, that's up to him. He's made a decision.

But he should also accept the consequences of that decision; which in this case may well be fine/prosecution/whatever if he's broken regs (as others have said; inspected and signed off?).

And by the look of that leading edge...possible aerodynamic and then aircraft /terrain interface issues!

Yes, he's got guts. Sense? Possibly not. This is a non urgent recreational activity in the 21st century, not flying a WW2 bomber or pioneering across North America in the '20s....

BossEyed 2nd Jan 2017 17:57


But he should also accept the consequences of that decision; which in this case may well be fine/prosecution/whatever if he's broken regs (as others have said; inspected and signed off?).
Or death; that's another option.

I truly hope not, but has been said often enough elsewhere about aviation regulations - "Historically, each paragraph has been written in blood". :uhoh:

M-ONGO 2nd Jan 2017 18:24

Nah, he has a hi-vis jacket on in those recent photographs. Safety is obviously on his mind. :}

Good luck to him.

Above The Clouds 3rd Jan 2017 17:09

He has arrived in Nairobi :ok:

VictorGolf 3rd Jan 2017 17:19

With his aeroplane?

Above The Clouds 3rd Jan 2017 19:51

From his FB page.

Maurice is back in Nairobi to gather additional gear for his bird.
He is in good spirit and has offered to have a speech about his ventures at the aero club on Friday evening.

Lars Svensson
He will get back to Loki together with an aircraft technician for the final touches on Saturday.

Onmybike 8th Jan 2017 06:37

He seems to be asking for people who posted on this thread to get in touch:-

https://mauricejohnkirk.wordpress.com/

PDR1 8th Jan 2017 07:44


Originally Posted by Onmybike (Post 9633725)
He seems to be asking for people who posted on this thread to get in touch:-

https://mauricejohnkirk.wordpress.com/

He certainly need legal (and/or psychiatric) support - I'm not sure if there is any such thing as a "class action" in English civil law, but even if there was I can't see how it's relevant to his situation.

(IANAL)

PDR

Mike Flynn 8th Jan 2017 07:53

There certainly is UK style class action law.


A newly introduced law allows British courts to hear US-style class actions - where one or several people sue on behalf of a much larger group.
The Consumer Rights Act 2015 will make it far easier for groups of consumers to seek compensation from firms that have fixed prices and formed cartels.
It introduces "opt out" actions where everyone affected is automatically a member of the "class" which is suing.
Consumer groups say it is a huge step forward in helping secure compensation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34402483

Some years ago he was arrested and spent time in prison on remand over a deactivated machine gun fitted to an old aircraft he owned.

The airframe had the gun mounted when he bought it and by the subsequent owners who were not challenged over it.

I understand the case was dropped but he felt he was victimised.

PDR1 8th Jan 2017 08:02

IANAL, but that looks like a specific provision in c0nsumer law on anti-competitive action rather than the concept of class actions as they exist in (say) most american states. Looking at the way he behaves I have ti say I'm not surprised he talked his way into a police cell.

PDR

Mike Flynn 8th Jan 2017 08:14

As I have said before a lawyer takes his dog to a vet and the vet should have taken his problems to a lawyer.

PDR1 8th Jan 2017 09:18

Oh absolutely.

PDR

Above The Clouds 8th Jan 2017 18:49

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...2c&oe=5920D259

robin 8th Jan 2017 19:04

Bit of a thump then. Good to see he's seen sense and got engineers involved

RatherBeFlying 8th Jan 2017 19:54

Can't see any damage in the spar (fingers crossed). Some D sections are obvious candidates for replacement. Then needs a local recover.

Local repairs bode to be more economic than in EASA land. Hint: Take extensive photos of repairs.


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