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piperboy84 12th Jun 2016 20:45


A nicely fitted flying-suit, some fresh make-up and a the occasional MILF-inspired photograph
Couldn't have put it better CGB, Great minds think alike 😄

Marchettiman 12th Jun 2016 21:50

It would take at least 10 days just to get out of Europe!

kghjfg 13th Jun 2016 15:01

So, just to be 100% clear.

TCT herself has now stated that they were NOT solo flights, but she was PIC, is that correct ?

Do the press realise how duped they were.

Cows getting bigger 13th Jun 2016 15:05

I bet Ewald never touched the controls once. Not once. :*

Reverserbucket 13th Jun 2016 16:12

Sole pilot or sole-manipulator of the controls? I've seen some interesting interpretations of "solo" vs "PIC" in the US where UK PPL's hour building for the purpose of achieving 100 hours PIC prior to a modular CPL course are in fact 'dual' with an FAA CFI sitting with them also logging PIC apparently for insurance purposes. Which leads to a question of certification: I see that the Stearman is 'N' registered and in the AAIB report of the contact with the R44, the Commander is recorded as holding a PPL; I take it this is referring to TCT and if so, I presume she holds at least an FAA Private Pilot Certificate to operate as PIC of an 'N' registered aircraft (In particular the flying conducted in the US most recently)? An Airman Inquiry through the FAA reveals nothing.

aviator_38 13th Jun 2016 19:40

Was she on the Queen's birthday honours lists?

Cheers

Mike Flynn 13th Jun 2016 20:48

There was a suggestion on here some weeks ago that that letters to the honours committee might raise issues regarding her 'adventures'.

mary meagher 14th Jun 2016 20:13

Gives rather a new emphasis calling herself an "aviatrix!" tricks, more likely.

I call myself a pilot.

Mary Meagher

Sir Niall Dementia 14th Jun 2016 22:30

Hi Mary;

Not just a pilot, but a damn sight more inspirational too!

See you soon.

SND xxx

Stanwell 14th Jun 2016 23:55

I see that TCT has threatened to turn up at the forthcoming Farnborough.

This, I understand, has caused some consternation within the Helicopter Industry Association.
The members fear for the safety of their exhibits, it seems.

The organisers, while smarting from the Red Arrows display cancellation, are confident that enough punters will still be drawn to the main event.
The prospect of witnessing TCT and Ewald cartwheeling across the in-field should prove to be a compensatory drawcard, it is felt.

9 lives 15th Jun 2016 01:26

Perhaps TCT can be awarded the honour of demonstrating to the guests at Farnborough:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/PSG_graphic...le-soccer2.jpg

Active, entertaining, safe for parked rotorcraft, no harm done during a roll over beside the runway, and best of all, easy to see she is truly solo in the cockpit!

Sir Niall Dementia 15th Jun 2016 06:58

Fifteen years ago during one of the periods of unemployment that is all part of the glitz and glamour of a career in aviation I got a job as a contract ferry pilot. In just over a year I did 19 solo single engine flights from the USA to sub-Saharan Africa, where do I get my award? and can I have the money in used fivers in a brown envelope marked "not to be opened by starving family."

If I'd achieved T C-T's record at least 10 of those flights would never have got anywhere.

I'm going to be at Farnborough for the whole event this year, I don't look good in a flying suit (actually I look like a badly stuffed pillow in most clothes), and a milf shot is well beyond my abilities, so hopefully I'll dodge any publicity, but my anti T C-T protective clothing might draw some attention.

SND

Whiskey Kilo Wanderer 15th Jun 2016 07:21

TCT on BBC R4 Midweek 9am today (15/6/16)
 
The good lady is on BBC Radio 4 Midweek program from 9am today. From the accompanying piece on the R4 website there is no mention of 'solo'.

BBC R4 Midweek website:
Tracey Curtis-Taylor is a pilot who last year followed Amy Johnson's flight from the UK to Australia in her classic open cockpit biplane, Spirit of Artemis. Earlier this year the self-styled bird in a biplane attempted a round-the-world flight which ended when her vintage biplane lost power and crashed after take-off in the Arizona desert. She plans to be back in the skies when her plane is fully repaired.

Mike Flynn 15th Jun 2016 08:31

I have just been listening to the programme and it's the same old story. No mention of Ewald or his major part in her 'adventures'.

As for the aircraft she said it's en-route to Hungary and the the only bit salvageable is the fuselage. It is going to get a new engine as well. Triggers brush?

It was interesting to hear the Pilatus that carried the support crew also carried Avgas for the Stearman.

She repeated the claim I read in Hampshire Life that "Artemis’ has a range of about 380 nautical miles, as opposed to Amy’s plane which had a 1,200-mile range. That is why I decided to take my trip over three and a half months."

The Timor Sea crossing to Australia is 450 miles:ok:

Planemike 15th Jun 2016 08:39

Jay..............

I listened too. As you say very much "business as usual". Did mention there was a passenger aboard when she crashed in Arizona...

Well it is a case of "you can't keep a good (wo)man down"....!!!! ;););)

Andrewgr2 15th Jun 2016 08:44

On 'Midweek' when asked by Libby Purves about the state of the pilot (singular) after her crash she very nearly said 'two pilots' but then corrected herself to refer to the state of her 'crew'!

Stanwell 15th Jun 2016 08:55

Oh dear. It just doesn't stop, does it?
Thanks for that snippet, WKW.
"... attempted round-the-world flight..."

I've known a few calculating, scheming, pathological liars, frauds and cheats in my time, but the TCT's not really one of those, is she?
She's simply a naughty little girl, all alone in this world, who seems to have a pathological need to tell lots of fibs to lots of people.
She just can't help herself, don't you see?
I mean, what's a girl to do?

Wake up, BBC !
.

Fantome 15th Jun 2016 09:23

Had Nancy Bird still been around when Tracy landed in Australia she would have been met and feted by the elder retainer . Nancy loved the limelight and was never averse to stealing the thunder of the odd hard working quiet type behind the scenes (Peggy Kelman comes to mind) . This may seem wildly off topic but speaking with the son of Peggy Kelman you did get another perspective on the way media savvy personalities can project themselves.
Not denigrating Nancy or her memory . .. just mentioning one of her foibles.

Mike Flynn 15th Jun 2016 09:30

Well spotted Andrewgr2. I was not sure If I had heard that correctly.

Podcast is here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006...odes/downloads

Victorian 15th Jun 2016 12:51

I started the car this morning and to my amazement there she was, on the radio. It's true she stumbled over who was on board at Winslow, as I heard it saying 'we', instantly corrected to 'my crew'. But so what? She sounded very nice and I'm sure the average listener would have thought better of GA for hearing her. Isn't that what matters?

Anyway, she pointed out that Winslow is the last surviving runway (or unmodernised airport, at least) on Lindberg's Transcontinental Air Transport route and all credit to her for that. I'm pleased she mentioned it because Winslow is not especially well known and when I first went there you could still read the initials T.A.T. on the dilapidated hangar. Right inside the door of the unattended adobe hut that served as a terminal was a life size portrait of the man himself, standing as if to greet you! Spooky!!

So I respectfully suggest that it's time to let this matter drop. We won't improve our own image by constantly carping about her.

homonculus 15th Jun 2016 13:30

May I suggest Victorian that it is not posters on this thread who are seeking fame and adulation. They are not lecturing, appearing on national radio or accepting honours and awards. They are not taking the money of others to fund their 'adventures'. You seem to suggest that is someone 'sounds nice' and can get the gullible or those who know no better to believe them it is somehow OK. It isnt.

9 lives 15th Jun 2016 14:00

I think about new student pilots working hard and saving simply to be able to afford to fly at all, and work their way up to being a professional pilot. They think about every dollar/pound/euro to go flying, and have a goal worthy in our industry. Then, we have an apparently "well connected" woman who is drawing upon sentiment and falsely describing her accomplishments so she can go flying at someone else's expense. That's not okay with me, she should very simply be honest. If her goals are so good that someone will fund, celebrate and honour them when truthfully presented to the world, that's fine. But in the mean time, the hard working new pilots who are earning to pay for every hour they fly, and truthfully declaring their experience and solo flying deserve the credit here, and TCT is eroding that unfairly with her self aggrandizement.

If the recent presenting of the truth of her accomplishments has not caused her to rethink and draw back a little, then, in my opinion, doesn't get it, and perhaps should be told by her peers to take a step back. We, the knowledgeable people in the industry should not turn a blind eye to this, or we are endorsing what she has done, and seemingly continues to do.

A fair and truthful picture should be publicly presented as long as TCT continues to promote her endeavors based upon fizzy truth.

Union Jack 15th Jun 2016 14:47

There was a suggestion on here some weeks ago that that letters to the honours committee might raise issues regarding her 'adventures'. - JS

And doubtless the committee would have to cross refer for the Royal Navy's input in view of the lady's honorary rank.

Jack

Jetblu 15th Jun 2016 16:04

Victorian

"But so what?"

It's called deceit Victorian, plain and simple.


"Isn't that what matters?"

Maybe for the likes of the sponsor and a known publisher etc, trading off the back of her deceit, hoping it increases their subscription revenue, but not for me, no.


"We won't improve our own image by constantly carping about her"

That's what Max Clifford said.



I am absolutely astonished that she has not now bowed out gracefully, with a willingness to pass the batten on to another female who can pull the solo flight out of the flight case, if it really needs to be done again. If she is as educated as she would like one to believe, she would know that the awards were scammed and hand them back.

Heliport 15th Jun 2016 16:46

I'm not astonished because nothing I've ever read that she's said or read about her suggests that she would do the decent thing.

I don't think she's ever claimed to be well educated but a good education isn't a prerequisite for knowing right from wrong.

9 lives 15th Jun 2016 17:21


a good education isn't a prerequisite for knowing right from wrong.
Exactly.

TCT has stepped into the realm of general aviation, where we [pilots] reside with pride. We conduct ourselves with honour, log our piloting time accurately, and do not take undeserved credit.

From what I read here, TCT has done things which dishonour pilots in general, but worse, appears (again, only based upon what I read here) to be trying to "navigate" and bend her conduct, and recent history in an attempt to defend, justify, and perpetuate it. That's the most of what I find dishonourable.

A previous poster mentioned a possible break in the path of compliance when they mentioned that TCT may not have held a valid FAA license, which is required for flying an N registered plane. Perhaps that rabbit hole is worth a look - who was the legal PIC for that flying? Gosh, if it turned out (me speculating) that the legal PIC was Mr. Gritsch, because TCT did not hold an FAA license, that would be very telling!

To quote post #349


I take it this is referring to TCT and if so, I presume she holds at least an FAA Private Pilot Certificate to operate as PIC of an 'N' registered aircraft (In particular the flying conducted in the US most recently)? An Airman Inquiry through the FAA reveals nothing.
Just to be thorough, I did the FAA search myself:


Required * Last Name: First Name: (may be partial or may include middle name) Date of Birth:
Day: Year: (i.e. 1974) City: State:
- OR - Country:






Search Results
Display Preference: HorizontalVertical

No records found based on search criteria provided above

Edit: Though the quote above does not show the name I typed in, I did type it in correctly spelled.

Again, that's my speculation, based upon what I read here, and the FAA search I have quoted. If my speculation turns out to be wrong, I will certainly withdraw it. Perhaps she is FAA licensed under a different name. Then, I would wonder why....

To "check the system" I searched myself as an FAA pilot the same way, and I am listed, so I know the search works the way I used it.

Planemike 15th Jun 2016 17:25


Originally Posted by Victorian (Post 9409490)
So I respectfully suggest that it's time to let this matter drop. We won't improve our own image by constantly carping about her.


I don't think that it is going to happen any time soon, unless of course she has a change of heart. Don't see how "our own image" is going to be harmed by asking for the truth to be told.

boguing 15th Jun 2016 20:22

TC-T may be an alumna of the Lisa Clayton School of voyaging shorthand. Lisa claimed to have sailed solo around the world back in 1994/5, and there's not much doubt that she was solo. Unfortunately the interweb wasn't so popular then.

Planemike 15th Jun 2016 20:29

Programme being repeated on Radio 4 at 21:30 (now !!!) if anybody wants to listen.

piperboy84 15th Jun 2016 21:21

Replay link,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07fg1x4

Edit to add: I wasn't aware you had to have an FAA license to fly an N reg, I have mates who fly N reg aircraft on UK ppl's

flybymike 15th Jun 2016 22:38


Again, that's my speculation, based upon what I read here, and the FAA search I have quoted. If my speculation turns out to be wrong, I will certainly withdraw it.
I'm not quite sure how you would withdraw speculation once you have already "speculated" it.

9 lives 16th Jun 2016 01:22


I'm not quite sure how you would withdraw speculation once you have already "speculated" it.
If I found that what I had said was wrong, I would admit it.

B Fraser 16th Jun 2016 06:01


I wasn't aware you had to have an FAA license to fly an N reg, I have mates who fly N reg aircraft on UK ppl's

I understand that it is legal to do so within the British Isles. It is not legal for a UK PPL holder to take an N registered aircraft to the Channel Islands.


If Flying Lawyer is still monitoring this thread, could he please provide the definitive answer. I don't spend much of my spare time studying air law.

this is my username 16th Jun 2016 06:12


If I found that what I had said was wrong, I would admit it.
Try spelling her name correctly on the FAA database ......

abgd 16th Jun 2016 07:07

If I type in 'curtis-taylor' to the database I find this:

Date of Issue: 9/23/2013
Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT(FOREIGN BASED) Print
Ratings:
PRIVATE PILOT (Foreign Based)
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND

Limits:
ENGLISH PROFICIENT.
ISSUED ON BASIS OF AND VALID ONLY WHEN ACCOMPANIED BY UNITED KINGDOM PILOT LICENSE NUMBER(S) GBR.FCL.PP.3365 94H.A.
ALL LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS ON THE UNITED KINGDOM PILOT LICENSE APPLY.

Marchettiman 16th Jun 2016 07:36

And if you do the same search of the FAA database for Ewald Gritsch you get this result:

PRIVATE PILOT(FOREIGN BASED)
Date of Issue: 9/23/2013
Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT(FOREIGN BASED) Print
Ratings:
PRIVATE PILOT (Foreign Based)
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND

Limits:
ENGLISH PROFICIENT.
ISSUED ON BASIS OF AND VALID ONLY WHEN ACCOMPANIED BY AUSTRIA PILOT LICENSE NUMBER(S) AT.FCL.4555.
ALL LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS ON THE AUSTRIA PILOT LICENSE APPLY.

What's interesting is that both TCT and Ewald Gritsch had their FAA licences issued on the same date, and probably at the same place. Am I being cynical in coming to the conclusion that this confirms that there has been a strong overtone of "joint enterprise" throughout the planning and execution of this whole fairy tale?

piperboy84 16th Jun 2016 08:38


Am I being cynical in coming to the conclusion that this confirms that there has been a strong overtone of "joint enterprise" throughout the planning and execution of this whole fairy tale?
Well well well, the solo nonsense was knocked out the ballpark a long time ago, the backup story of being accompanied by either a " photographer" or her stating in interviews that she generously allowed support crew member(s)from the chase plane ad hoc ride alongs on different legs (implying to me that the experience was for there sole benefit) or other such waffle as a way of explaining why other people where in the plane is now shown to be complete BS. The FAA docs can only mean one thing, this whole charade was planned from the get-go as one big lavishly sponsored tail-dragger flying lesson with the planes owner/builder and under the watchful eye of at least a commercial rated pilot in the chase plane who no doubt provided navagation services from his glass panel. It's obvious there was never any intent to do this solo, alone or whatever other verbal gymnastics she has used in presentations to convey it was all done by her.

A primary school kid with a Cycling Proficiency Badge could have accomplished as much as she has. Aviatrix my arse.

vh-foobar 16th Jun 2016 08:52


Originally Posted by Marchettiman (Post 9410231)
And if you do the same search of the FAA database for Ewald Gritsch you get this result:

PRIVATE PILOT(FOREIGN BASED)
Date of Issue: 9/23/2013
Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT(FOREIGN BASED) Print
Ratings:
PRIVATE PILOT (Foreign Based)
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND

You may notice that it shows that Ewald Gritsch is NOT a certified flight instructor in this aircraft, or indeed have any relevant professional flight crew rating related to this aircraft... (except perhaps in Austria and maybe some other countries).

Sorry could not resist! Carry on...

flybymike 16th Jun 2016 08:57

Piperboy it's quite extraordinary how you lot can come out with such allegations as though they were proven statements of fact.

Stanwell 16th Jun 2016 09:05

Erm, well ..
I would suggest that if one encounters a dead parrot and it looks like it's dead, smells like it's dead and won't respond to stimulus .. it probably is.
Or .. are you trying to tell us that it's probably "just pining for the fjords"?


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