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captplaystation 15th Nov 2013 13:59

"Light Twin" fatal at Hawarden
 
BBC News - Two die in light aircraft crash at Hawarden Airport, Flintshire

HS125 15th Nov 2013 14:49

Another tiny picture from News North Wales:
- BREAKING: light aircraft crashes at Hawarden Airport

And another from Wrexham.com
Two Die After Small Plane Crashes At Chester Hawarden Airport | Wrexham.com

JDA2012 15th Nov 2013 14:54

Just came on to post that. It's so much worse (at least for me) when it's somewhere you've visited and knew people. Hopefully said people were not involved here, but our small community has lost another two members, and barely a year since the last accident at Hawarden.

Edit: link already posted. Nothing in the photos available with identifiable detail. I see the BBC have updated their story with a larger picture also, reg still not identifiable (possibly legible with image enhancement or prior knowledge, but seems a stretch)

Daily Mail:
Man and woman killed in plane crash at Airbus UK Broughton, Hawarden Airport | Mail Online

Blue skies...

ETOPS 15th Nov 2013 15:57

Sadly I recognise that as one of the twins based at Hawarden. A distinctive type with highly swept tip tanks........

Condolences.

Beech_Boy 15th Nov 2013 16:28

"Light Twin" fatal at Hawarden
 
Anyone any idea what aircraft it is, looking a 340 possibly?

M-ONGO 15th Nov 2013 16:30

My guess is a 1970 C310Q.

Beech_Boy 15th Nov 2013 16:36

"Light Twin" fatal at Hawarden
 
Thank M-ONGO, very sad

HS125 15th Nov 2013 18:09

Pretty sure I know who it was too, RIP :(

There is some instructive yet rather chilling footage here:
Hawarden Airport crash: Dramatic picture shows the moment plane 'landed nose first' killing man and woman - Mirror Online

Shaggy Sheep Driver 15th Nov 2013 18:20


circling the airfield....
I don't think so.

HS125 15th Nov 2013 18:49


I don't think so.
I don't think so either.

F900 Ex 15th Nov 2013 18:58

Pure speculation from the pictures published so far,

1. May have died at the controls prior to impact.

2. Or loss of control on one engine.

Either way a very sad event.

rustle 15th Nov 2013 19:20

My speculation on this from looking at the pictures from the Mirror, and numbering them 1,2,3 from the top picture... The only way it could have ended up facing "backwards" in position in pic 2 is if it had forward momentum from pic 1; and the pic 1 position looks like a missed-approach, go-around, "efato"*, roll, pic 3, pic 1, pic 2.

Dreadful.

* I know it wasn't taking-off.

Trim Stab 15th Nov 2013 19:40

Agreed - looks like aircraft was below Vmca on very short finals with No1 engine producing zero or even negative thrust, and No2 engine suddenly produced full thrust for unexplained reasons.

M-ONGO 15th Nov 2013 19:43

It was G-BXUY, a C310Q, sadly. The aircraft was piloted by Gary Vickers.

ASN Aircraft accident 15-NOV-2013 Cessna 310Q G-BXUY

Two dead after aircraft comes down at Hawarden Airport in North Wales - Wales Online

Will Hung 15th Nov 2013 20:04

Fuel starvation ???

Looks eerily similar to one I saw at Denham 5 or so years ago.

Condolences.

Actually 7+ years ago, August 2006 !!

Pace 16th Nov 2013 02:05

Very sad and highlights the dangers of flying twin engined light aircraft with their minimal performance.

For me it also highlights the importance of keeping the aircraft flying and trading energy for speed and flight control.

It is better to crash in control than to crash out of control.

Horrific pictures which shows how ruthless our mistress and passion can be.
One minute the pleasure of what we do. One mistake sometimes even a small mistake of judgement with such unforgiving and cruel results! :(

Pace

fireflybob 16th Nov 2013 06:23

It's when you're near the ground in an aircraft that you are vulnerable.

welkyboy 16th Nov 2013 08:03

G-AXUY is not a Cessna 310 it is a Jodel, possibly GAZUY?
Asymmetric flap?

arem 16th Nov 2013 08:18

or even G-BXUY??

PapaEchoNovember 16th Nov 2013 08:37

Deepest sympathies to the families and friends of those who perished in the accident.


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