"I think I'm beginning to understand why the UK aviation industry no longer exists!"

dHC...C for Canada

Thud: You're right. It's flawed! Just as the Wright Flyer was and the Model T Ford too. It really doesn't matter that old stuff is flawed. It creates progression.

The de Havilland company were prepared to experiment and thank heavens they did for this British company invented the world's first ever jet airliner and the most successful, efficient bomber aircraft of WWII and a whole string of wonderful things that we no longer use because we progress.

Thank heavens for the British Aviation industry, it makes aero-engines for Boeings - among others. That can't be so bad a position to be in.

If mechanical toe-brakes are so good, why do airlines use computerised ones now? Because mechanical toe-brakes just aren't good enough any more!

These flawed brakes created pilots of character who had the ability to adapt to differing situations and react efficiently to the unexpected. That's got to be good.

Thud - I agree with you. Let's celebrate flaws and the lessons we learn from them. :ok:

The most sensible post any of us have made on this thread. Chipmunk Janie - I completely agree with you!

Yay!

All I have to do now is work on Shaggy and his lower-case 'd' and the world will be perfect. That'll be much tougher. I'll go get some photos from the original 'de Havilland Gazette' as proof that it should be 'DHC-1'. Sorry Shaggs - you know how passionate I get about that. :O

Have a lovely evening Thud.

d or D?
 

Whilst the family name was written de Havilland, the company HQ building at Hatfield (now a police station!) was signed DE HAVILLAND AIRCRAFT, and as previously mentioned, the two letter company logo was DH.

Jani, you can work on me any time you like... :)

Jani, you can work on me any time you like...

Oi! Back of the que mate!

Am I the only one who quite likes the quirks of the Chippie brake system ?

My only complaint is I seem to need an extra hand sometimes !!

Apart from that I love the aeroplane.

And toe brakes on the Cessna 150/152 - you can keep them frankly................

Arc

Hi Arc. On what occasions would you want your hand on both the throttle and the brake simultaneously?

The skilled can cope and it seems from this thread do cope with crossing arms and/or a bit of knee nudging.
Yes with throttle closed and friction set one could argue that braking could use throttle hand but it could be premature.

The only time I ever feel the need for a third arm in the Chippy is retracting the second stage of flap in a touch and go or go-around (I have to momentorily use my throttle hand, having set the friction nut). Nothing to do with the brakes!

Bingo: May I ask on what occasions you would want to apply the brakes with the power on?

Arm crossing! Please tell me you meant hand-swapping. :}

Uh? I've already said that during taxy there is no need to touch the brake lever. The only times you need to operate it are before taxy (to set a couple of notches), after lined-up (to fully release the brakes), before landing (to ensure no brakes) and after vacating (to set a couple of notches for taxy).

On the vanishingly rare occasions you need a bit of brake in the last bit of the rollout you can use you left hand (you will never need brake and throttle together!).

Works a treat! Left hand on throttle at all other times! Where's the problem you allude to, Silvaire? :confused:

Possibly when heading toward the fence:8

Janiemunk

I never use the clicks. I just operate the lever manually usually in small amounts so if I am pulling up the flaps, holding the stick back, fussing with the mixture lever, using some throttle, and sorting out carb heat, taxiing, I am a bit shorthanded so to speak........... oh and closing the canopy and setting the trimmer as well........

pretty soon I will talk to air traffic as well............

and you thought it was only women that could multi-task............

:-)

Arc

Silvaire, I presume you refer to power checks? Yes of course, set full brake for that (takes a few milliseconds). Again, no need for hands on throttle and brake at same time.

I'm confused (easily done!). The brakes in a Chippy during taxi are applied with your feet, on the rudder pedals, having set a couple of notches. So your hand stays on the throttle at all times, and you can apply steering brake at the same time.

I rarely find a need to brake to stop short. On grass, when landed at the correct speed, the Chippy slows down rapidly without brake. On tarmac, one more often has to add power to keep rolling to the turnoff!

If you have over cooked it and need brake, of course it's there for you to use - as I've said before by then you'll not be needing the throttle so the left hand can be used on the lever.

Of course, if you are taxying with the usual couple of notches set and you want to stop perhaps on a downslope, paddle the rudder left-right-left and she'll stop (certainly on grass wheich is where one encounters these slopy taxyways!). Keep one foot right forward and she'll stay stopped until you centralise the rudder.

Yes you can. As Janie asked, when would you want to stop and apply power at the same time? :ooh:

You described some strange arrangement on some aeroplanes whereby the engine would stop on the rollout if the pilot left the throttle closed. Properly set up Chippies don't do that.

You don't need your hand on the throttle if you are applying brake to slow down - a point I've made several times and which led me (and Janie) to ask why anyone would.

You'd want to apply power if you were about to hit something..??? :confused: