European AIS Database
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From: Cardiff, UK
Alternatively, if you just want nice simple access to UK NOTAMs and weather for your favourite airfields (emailed to you as soon as they come out if you wish), check out:
http://ukga.com
And we don't ask you to jump through hoops and download the latest version of Java or anything...
http://ukga.com
And we don't ask you to jump through hoops and download the latest version of Java or anything...
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From: Bordeaux, France
Apparently I have Internet explorer 5.5, not 6.....
so it doesnt work. I clicked to get IE6 but its 25Mb, and this will take all day to download, so 'I aint doin it.' - broardband? we dont know what that is this side of the channelso,
So, what is on this site? any good?
Regards, SD..
so it doesnt work. I clicked to get IE6 but its 25Mb, and this will take all day to download, so 'I aint doin it.' - broardband? we dont know what that is this side of the channelso,
So, what is on this site? any good?
Regards, SD..
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Logged on the website, no problems, straight in. It seems that all European NOTAMs and maybe some maps/approach plats will be compiled and published there. The service will start sometime in 2004 with some participating countries and will be completed by 2006 when the remaining states join. Guess when the UK joins? 
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AC-DC Logged on the website, no problems, straight in
I'd be very interested to know a few parameters:
What browser?
Dial-up or broadband?
Firewall? Brand?
NAT and/or connection sharing?
Here or PM would be very handy.
TIA
I'd be very interested to know a few parameters:
What browser?
Dial-up or broadband?
Firewall? Brand?
NAT and/or connection sharing?
Here or PM would be very handy.
TIA
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From: Savannah GA & Portsmouth UK
AC-DC
My understanding is that UK AIS are already providing a NOTAM feed to EAD.
I also understand that cost is a relatively major consideration (as it appears to be with most things Eurocontrol).
The difficulties being experienced by myself and others indicate that Eurocontrol failed to deliver the goods on the advertised date. If I had decided not to join in on day one I might feel that I had made a good call.
Is there anything in there that is useful today or are we not going to see anything until next year?
Incidentally, a little nuggett of information I was not aware of. UK AIS only take the French International NOTAM, not the domeswtic series. Therefore if flying to France NOTAM from UKAIS will be good to your destination airfield. For onward flight within France you should check French NOTAM.
Mike
My understanding is that UK AIS are already providing a NOTAM feed to EAD.
I also understand that cost is a relatively major consideration (as it appears to be with most things Eurocontrol).
The difficulties being experienced by myself and others indicate that Eurocontrol failed to deliver the goods on the advertised date. If I had decided not to join in on day one I might feel that I had made a good call.
Is there anything in there that is useful today or are we not going to see anything until next year?
Incidentally, a little nuggett of information I was not aware of. UK AIS only take the French International NOTAM, not the domeswtic series. Therefore if flying to France NOTAM from UKAIS will be good to your destination airfield. For onward flight within France you should check French NOTAM.
Mike
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Lousy, really lousy... I donwloaded their suggested version of the JRE, to be congratulated with a dialgopue box telling me I now have the correct version (hurrah!), but then the next page where I should see their system is just errors. I hive up before I start. Rank amateurs.
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Decided to try again... the blank frames now start the process of downloading JAR files. As I type this, over 3MB has already been downloaded in 15 minutes... Hang on - its finished!
Essentially it lets me lookup NOTAM, much as www.AIS.org.uk does. In addition, it has some nice-to-have features, such as lookup NOTAM for an area defined as a radius, say 20NM around WOD NDB, for example. It also lets you select a sort order of your choice for the output, including "north to south".
I also tried the Route PIB option (this involves downloading yet another JAR file!)... you can select departure and destination aerodromes, as well as FIRs, but I didn't see a way to put in a route including turning points (NDB, VOR etc) nor a way to specifcy the width of the route, so its not as good as the AIS Narrow-route briefing for our purposes.
There's also something called "SDO report"... so I clicked it (well you have to double-click things in this interface for some reason...), and it downloaded more JAR files, but I could not fathom what this application is for...
Likewise when I tried something called "PAMS"... several more JAR files were download, taking several more minutes, ... in the end it seems to be a way to search the AIP (from which country?).. but is apparently not populated with data at this stage.
So the PIB (NOTAM) functionality is OK (the rest is useless) and this has some nice-to-have features, but I really don't understand why such a heavy client-side user interface is needed? This has many disadvantages, such as you'll have to wait for it to download whenever you use to a different PC, it takes ages, and it doesn't add any UI functionality (as far as I can see) which couldn't have been implemented via simple HTML forms!?!
Also, as they go through their bugfixe releases, I suppose we'll have to re-download additional or changed JAR files. This is just a stupid way to implement a web-GUI in this day and age, IMHO!
So, in short, not really worth the effort.
Cheers all,
Andy
Essentially it lets me lookup NOTAM, much as www.AIS.org.uk does. In addition, it has some nice-to-have features, such as lookup NOTAM for an area defined as a radius, say 20NM around WOD NDB, for example. It also lets you select a sort order of your choice for the output, including "north to south".
I also tried the Route PIB option (this involves downloading yet another JAR file!)... you can select departure and destination aerodromes, as well as FIRs, but I didn't see a way to put in a route including turning points (NDB, VOR etc) nor a way to specifcy the width of the route, so its not as good as the AIS Narrow-route briefing for our purposes.
There's also something called "SDO report"... so I clicked it (well you have to double-click things in this interface for some reason...), and it downloaded more JAR files, but I could not fathom what this application is for...
Likewise when I tried something called "PAMS"... several more JAR files were download, taking several more minutes, ... in the end it seems to be a way to search the AIP (from which country?).. but is apparently not populated with data at this stage.
So the PIB (NOTAM) functionality is OK (the rest is useless) and this has some nice-to-have features, but I really don't understand why such a heavy client-side user interface is needed? This has many disadvantages, such as you'll have to wait for it to download whenever you use to a different PC, it takes ages, and it doesn't add any UI functionality (as far as I can see) which couldn't have been implemented via simple HTML forms!?!
Also, as they go through their bugfixe releases, I suppose we'll have to re-download additional or changed JAR files. This is just a stupid way to implement a web-GUI in this day and age, IMHO!
So, in short, not really worth the effort.
Cheers all,
Andy
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From: Close to Lutecia
Sorry guys,
Ok, the interface is not that great but all the info is there.
In the PIB (Pre-flight Information Bulletin) you can get ALL of Europe Notam information either VFR, IFR or both, for aerodrome, , area or route.
In the PAMS (Published AIP Management System ) you have ALL the European AIP's and corresponding Ammendments, Supplements, Circulars and Charts). All you need to do is select the first two letters of the Icao 4 letter and hit generate.
SDO just gives you static data information, e.g. VOR's name, position, freq...
I'm preparing my navigation flight for tomorrow (still learning ;-)), and IMHO this thing is God sent (as long as you have broadband).
BTW, I got all the acronyms and the explanation of how the thing works by clicking on the question mark button. Amazing the amount of information those little things give away...
Ok, the interface is not that great but all the info is there.
In the PIB (Pre-flight Information Bulletin) you can get ALL of Europe Notam information either VFR, IFR or both, for aerodrome, , area or route.
In the PAMS (Published AIP Management System ) you have ALL the European AIP's and corresponding Ammendments, Supplements, Circulars and Charts). All you need to do is select the first two letters of the Icao 4 letter and hit generate.
SDO just gives you static data information, e.g. VOR's name, position, freq...
I'm preparing my navigation flight for tomorrow (still learning ;-)), and IMHO this thing is God sent (as long as you have broadband).
BTW, I got all the acronyms and the explanation of how the thing works by clicking on the question mark button. Amazing the amount of information those little things give away...
Last edited by routechecker; 10th June 2003 at 23:03.
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From: Brighton
routechecker
Certainly the site seems to be improving.
BTW you need broadband just to use THIS website, unless you have the patience of a monk!!!! I wish this whole edifice was moved to Usenet, then one could use decent fast software to access it; www-based forums are at best pig slow.
Certainly the site seems to be improving.
BTW you need broadband just to use THIS website, unless you have the patience of a monk!!!! I wish this whole edifice was moved to Usenet, then one could use decent fast software to access it; www-based forums are at best pig slow.
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From: Surrey, UK.
Can anyone who has actually been able to get to the site please answer this?
I'd be very interested to know a few parameters:
What browser?
Firewall? Brand?
NAT and/or connection sharing?
How much old software did you have to install over newer versions?
I'd be very interested to know a few parameters:
What browser?
Firewall? Brand?
NAT and/or connection sharing?
How much old software did you have to install over newer versions?
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routechecker: God didn't need to "sent" it [sic]... the existing www.AIS.org.uk system gives access to all European NOTAM and I used it to great effect for a recent trip to Europe WITHOUT the ridiculous JAVA client-side UI imposed by the new Euro-AIS system..!
Andy
Andy
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From: Close to Lutecia
Andy,
Yes, but the old and tired concept of the majority of AIS information only being available if you pay for it is now gone. Remember that the majority of European AIP's had to be bought and if you wanted charts you had to "compensate" Mr Jeppesen or Mr Airad. Additionally on the EAD you have all the worldwide Notam's.
Like I said before the interface is not great but with broadband it's not really a handycap.
Yes, but the old and tired concept of the majority of AIS information only being available if you pay for it is now gone. Remember that the majority of European AIP's had to be bought and if you wanted charts you had to "compensate" Mr Jeppesen or Mr Airad. Additionally on the EAD you have all the worldwide Notam's.
Like I said before the interface is not great but with broadband it's not really a handycap.
Last edited by routechecker; 11th June 2003 at 16:44.
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From: UK
Finally managed to crack this little nut today. Entered this site, got all Java'd up and even managed to get a basic aerodrome PIB of my home airfield all the way from Madrid or was it Stuttgart?
Now for a more difficult route PIB and perhaps the ENR section of the UK AIP that was promised by the German gentleman on the streaming video introduction..........wish me luck!
For those "Doubting Thomas" amongst you here is a photo I took to prove it.
If I don't return by tomorrow you know my last known position so please inform the D&D cell for me on 121.5 and send SAR!
Now for a more difficult route PIB and perhaps the ENR section of the UK AIP that was promised by the German gentleman on the streaming video introduction..........wish me luck!
For those "Doubting Thomas" amongst you here is a photo I took to prove it.
If I don't return by tomorrow you know my last known position so please inform the D&D cell for me on 121.5 and send SAR!
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From: Savannah GA & Portsmouth UK
What Andy didn't mention for all you budding programmers is that by using the Layout tab shown on his screenshot you can get the data in XML format. Something our own CAA have been declining to allow us.
You will also note the lack of any need for a username and password.
They have obviously made some changes since the site went live as I can now get in, which I was unable to do before.
Mike
(edited to correct spolling)
You will also note the lack of any need for a username and password.
They have obviously made some changes since the site went live as I can now get in, which I was unable to do before.
Mike
(edited to correct spolling)
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From: UK
Yes of course the important point Mike.
Here is an example:
Admittedly it looks like gobbledegook, but the script above has the potential to be a circle on a graphical map with the associated PIB information in plain English alongside. A very useful intuitive tool for all GA pilots.
"Edited because my speeling isn't up to mich ither"
Here is an example:
<QLine>
<FIR>EGTT</FIR>
<Code23>RO</Code23>
<Code45>LP</Code45>
<Traffic>IV</Traffic>
<Purpose>NBO</Purpose>
<Scope>E</Scope>
<Lower>000</Lower>
<Upper>040</Upper>
</QLine>
<Coordinates>4932N00153W</Coordinates>
<Radius>50</Radius>
<ItemA>EGTT</ItemA>
<StartValidity>0307021444</StartValidity>
<EndValidity>0309192359</EndValidity>
<Estimation>EST</Estimation>
<ItemE>FLIGHTS FROM/TO CHANNEL ISLANDS: PROHIBITED AREA 493220N 0015300W RAD 5KM 3400FT AMSL/SFC. SVFR ROUTE JERSEY - FLAMANVILLE AND GUERNSEY - FLAMANVILLE SUSPENDED UNDER 3400FT. CREATION OF A COMPLEMENTARY SVFR ROUTE. JERSEY - POINTE DU ROZEL (492859N 0015059W) AND GUERNSEY - POINT DU ROZEL (492859N 0015059W)</ItemE>
<FIR>EGTT</FIR>
<Code23>RO</Code23>
<Code45>LP</Code45>
<Traffic>IV</Traffic>
<Purpose>NBO</Purpose>
<Scope>E</Scope>
<Lower>000</Lower>
<Upper>040</Upper>
</QLine>
<Coordinates>4932N00153W</Coordinates>
<Radius>50</Radius>
<ItemA>EGTT</ItemA>
<StartValidity>0307021444</StartValidity>
<EndValidity>0309192359</EndValidity>
<Estimation>EST</Estimation>
<ItemE>FLIGHTS FROM/TO CHANNEL ISLANDS: PROHIBITED AREA 493220N 0015300W RAD 5KM 3400FT AMSL/SFC. SVFR ROUTE JERSEY - FLAMANVILLE AND GUERNSEY - FLAMANVILLE SUSPENDED UNDER 3400FT. CREATION OF A COMPLEMENTARY SVFR ROUTE. JERSEY - POINTE DU ROZEL (492859N 0015059W) AND GUERNSEY - POINT DU ROZEL (492859N 0015059W)</ItemE>
"Edited because my speeling isn't up to mich ither"
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Admittedly it looks like gobbledegook
now just need to get it into NotamPlot. I'll do the XML parsing if you're busy, Ian F!
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From: UK
Evo,
I am fairly certain this can be downloaded automatically. The reason I say “fairly” is that I am not an expert. I have recent investigated using Perl for automatically downloading from the UK AIS web tool AES and that works, so I suspect the same principles can be applied to this web tool.
It doesn’t need a password as was mentioned above and also there is a function which filters by radius so the user can put in a Lat/Long and a radius of interest. This is useful for FTOs. I haven’t fully investigated all areas of the site yet. I need to get a brief from AED and a brief from AES side by side to validate the PIBs are the same given the same filter criteria.
Still work to do but it has taken me a while to get to this point so I thought it worthwhile to post.
There is a library of all AIC/AIP documents also. I managed to view them but the way they were listed was difficult to understand although I may not be doing it correctly.
I’ll post again if anything worthwhile to mention.
I am fairly certain this can be downloaded automatically. The reason I say “fairly” is that I am not an expert. I have recent investigated using Perl for automatically downloading from the UK AIS web tool AES and that works, so I suspect the same principles can be applied to this web tool.
It doesn’t need a password as was mentioned above and also there is a function which filters by radius so the user can put in a Lat/Long and a radius of interest. This is useful for FTOs. I haven’t fully investigated all areas of the site yet. I need to get a brief from AED and a brief from AES side by side to validate the PIBs are the same given the same filter criteria.
Still work to do but it has taken me a while to get to this point so I thought it worthwhile to post.
There is a library of all AIC/AIP documents also. I managed to view them but the way they were listed was difficult to understand although I may not be doing it correctly.
I’ll post again if anything worthwhile to mention.
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From: UK
The EAD Public Interface is not designed for automated access. If it were driven by CGIs then you might be able to screen scrape -- yukky though that is, but it's written with the Java GUI and the security/authentication is incorporated in that. So the best you're going to get is cut-and-paste of output from the GUI. The XML schema are available on the EAD site library.
If you want real automated system-to-system access you have to investigate the ESI, the EAD Systems Interface.
If you want real automated system-to-system access you have to investigate the ESI, the EAD Systems Interface.