Can a safety pilot log flight time?
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mad_jock asks;
A lot of people forget this fundamental.
When a flight is in VMC, the flight rules under which the flight is being conducted have no effect on the crew's legal duty to maintain a look-out and to see and avoid.
If the pilot of an aircraft operating in VMC elects to obscure his vision, this requirement doesn't somehow disappear. This is the underlying reason for a safety pilot in the FAA rules. It also explains amongst other reasons, why the safety pilot does not need to hold an instrument rating.
In the UK, the strong line drawn between controlled and uncontrolled airspace protects people from one another to some extent. In most other parts of the world, where VFR and IFR traffic can come into closer proximity, the importance of this see-and-avoid principle is more obvious.
In respect to practising IFR for an IR valid pilot.
As long as they are flying under Instrument Rules what does it matter if they are under a hood or in cloud?
As long as they are flying under Instrument Rules what does it matter if they are under a hood or in cloud?
When a flight is in VMC, the flight rules under which the flight is being conducted have no effect on the crew's legal duty to maintain a look-out and to see and avoid.
If the pilot of an aircraft operating in VMC elects to obscure his vision, this requirement doesn't somehow disappear. This is the underlying reason for a safety pilot in the FAA rules. It also explains amongst other reasons, why the safety pilot does not need to hold an instrument rating.
In the UK, the strong line drawn between controlled and uncontrolled airspace protects people from one another to some extent. In most other parts of the world, where VFR and IFR traffic can come into closer proximity, the importance of this see-and-avoid principle is more obvious.
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Exactly, 2Donks.
Remember that, under ICAO rules (i.e. this applies anywhere in the world), VFR traffic is not seperated from other traffic anywhere except in Class B. (In Class C, it is seperated from IFR traffic, but not from other VFR traffic. And although many Class D controllers will keep IFR and VFR traffic apart, they don't have to.) Even when seperation is provided by ATC, though, the pilot is still responsible for looking out in VMC. The controller probably can't see that glider or hot-air balloon (or even bigger non-squawking aircraft if they have primary radar turned off) which accidentally wandered into his airspace right in front of you.
Mad_jock said "Another funny I have seen is in a SPA flying IFR, if the Autopilot goes tits up then 2 pilots need to be carried The second pilot doesn't need to be lic on type or even have a SPA-IR." I didn't know that - definitely counts as a "funny"! But the requirement for an autopilot for single-pilot IFR is contained in JAR-OPS, and therefore doesn't apply to a private flight, so it won't concern most people on this forum.
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Remember that, under ICAO rules (i.e. this applies anywhere in the world), VFR traffic is not seperated from other traffic anywhere except in Class B. (In Class C, it is seperated from IFR traffic, but not from other VFR traffic. And although many Class D controllers will keep IFR and VFR traffic apart, they don't have to.) Even when seperation is provided by ATC, though, the pilot is still responsible for looking out in VMC. The controller probably can't see that glider or hot-air balloon (or even bigger non-squawking aircraft if they have primary radar turned off) which accidentally wandered into his airspace right in front of you.
Mad_jock said "Another funny I have seen is in a SPA flying IFR, if the Autopilot goes tits up then 2 pilots need to be carried The second pilot doesn't need to be lic on type or even have a SPA-IR." I didn't know that - definitely counts as a "funny"! But the requirement for an autopilot for single-pilot IFR is contained in JAR-OPS, and therefore doesn't apply to a private flight, so it won't concern most people on this forum.
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A bit of useless info
Under the FARs you can actually log safety pilot time as either PIC, SIC or not log it at all if you wish, so you see there is a time when a PPL can log SIC time in a single pilot A/C...
Remember though, you cannot log the entire duration of the flight, only the time the other pilot is under the hood...
Ta ta
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Remember though, you cannot log the entire duration of the flight, only the time the other pilot is under the hood...
Ta ta
EA
