Grob 115 - where can I fly one?
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Grob 115 - where can I fly one?
Hi,
I'd like to try something a bit different from Cessnas and Pipers and the Grob looks pretty slick. Does anyone know of any flying clubs that have them available for rent in the UK?
Many thanks in advance
Frank
I'd like to try something a bit different from Cessnas and Pipers and the Grob looks pretty slick. Does anyone know of any flying clubs that have them available for rent in the UK?
Many thanks in advance
Frank
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Don't let the looks decieve you. I thought it looked pretty good, too. You know the old adage - if it looks right it probably flies right? Doesn't apply to the G115.
Barton has 2. I checked out in one years ago. It was awful - underpowered with soggy imprecise controls. So I tried the other. It was just as bad.
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Barton has 2. I checked out in one years ago. It was awful - underpowered with soggy imprecise controls. So I tried the other. It was just as bad.
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SSD, I have to disagree. I've had a bit of experience (20 hours or so) in the Grob 115E, and I must say it felt pretty good! It's got great aerobatic handling, and has a pretty good performance spec. I do appreciate that there may be many 'better' a/c out there, but Fat Frank, if you can get an hour or two in a Grob (especially if you're interested in aeros/unusual attitude stuff) then go for it!
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SSD, Jonnys,
Thanks for your comments, I don't have any direct experience of the Grob so can't give my two p's worth, but I'd like to try one out even if it's just an hour or two. Does anywhere else fly them except Barton? Could make it there though it would be a bit of a trek.
Cheers
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Thanks for your comments, I don't have any direct experience of the Grob so can't give my two p's worth, but I'd like to try one out even if it's just an hour or two. Does anywhere else fly them except Barton? Could make it there though it would be a bit of a trek.
Cheers
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Jonnys, SSD:
Your differing experiences are almost certainly down to the metal at the front of the machine. The UAS heaps are considerably better off than most of the civvie examples.
To take a comparison, the FireFly at my local club has a Lycoming 118hp with a two blade prop. The chaps at Barkson are packing between 160 and 250hp... they definately handle differently!
Your differing experiences are almost certainly down to the metal at the front of the machine. The UAS heaps are considerably better off than most of the civvie examples.
To take a comparison, the FireFly at my local club has a Lycoming 118hp with a two blade prop. The chaps at Barkson are packing between 160 and 250hp... they definately handle differently!
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...plus with the Barton Grobbies, if you're more petite and flying solo, they're not too bad.
If you are .... ahem ..... a little above average weight, and then you go and take someone else up (e.g instructor checking you out) and then you factor in Barton's soggy and rather length-challenged runway, things get more marginal.
If you are .... ahem ..... a little above average weight, and then you go and take someone else up (e.g instructor checking you out) and then you factor in Barton's soggy and rather length-challenged runway, things get more marginal.
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SSD, poetpilot,
You've both mentioned Barton. What is your experience of it - are the instructors at Lancashire Aero Club experienced and good? Would definitely like to try the Grob (presume there's no way I can try out a UAS version very easily is there?) but would like to know Barton's worth the journey first. Point taken about the powerplants.
Thanks again
Frank
You've both mentioned Barton. What is your experience of it - are the instructors at Lancashire Aero Club experienced and good? Would definitely like to try the Grob (presume there's no way I can try out a UAS version very easily is there?) but would like to know Barton's worth the journey first. Point taken about the powerplants.
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I don't have experience of Barton instructors these days except Martin Rushbrooke (who is a very good aeros instructor but gets booked up months ahead) and Bob Knight, with whom I did my bi-annual 'instructor' hour in the Chippy recently - also recommended.
I can well accept that the Barton Grobs are underpowered compared to other examples. But soggy handling is soggy handling. Felt just like a PA28 to me. Very dissapointing.
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I can well accept that the Barton Grobs are underpowered compared to other examples. But soggy handling is soggy handling. Felt just like a PA28 to me. Very dissapointing.
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I've been accused elsewhere of being unduly biased towards Barton, but I s'pose that's natural when one has flown from it since 1974 
(God, that long....) ... so please factor in a bias when reading.....
The present crop of instructors seem a decent bunch to me. As with all bunches/herds/flight (what IS the collective description for several instructors?
) you'll get a mix of characters and reasons for being an instructor. But in my short interactions with them when booking in/out, they all seem nice, enthusiastic people, with good customer-relations attitudes.
Really though you must explore the weight aspects in terms of flying the Grob, and mention it if you call them. Several of the instructors don't fly the Grob because their weight combined with the student's weight is too much.
SSD, I'd agree on the handling, though I did note that when I increased speed (by diving!!) the controls started to feel a lot nicer (rather than just heavier). But a fellow PPL of some experience that I took up in one was also unimpressed by it.
If you want to email me offline ([email protected]), I'm happy to chat about it more. Shame I'm not current on the Grob else I'd offer you a trip. It's expensive enough keeping current on 3 types. But if you are coming up, let me know, maybe we can meet up.
(God, that long....) ... so please factor in a bias when reading.....The present crop of instructors seem a decent bunch to me. As with all bunches/herds/flight (what IS the collective description for several instructors?
) you'll get a mix of characters and reasons for being an instructor. But in my short interactions with them when booking in/out, they all seem nice, enthusiastic people, with good customer-relations attitudes.Really though you must explore the weight aspects in terms of flying the Grob, and mention it if you call them. Several of the instructors don't fly the Grob because their weight combined with the student's weight is too much.
SSD, I'd agree on the handling, though I did note that when I increased speed (by diving!!) the controls started to feel a lot nicer (rather than just heavier). But a fellow PPL of some experience that I took up in one was also unimpressed by it.
If you want to email me offline ([email protected]), I'm happy to chat about it more. Shame I'm not current on the Grob else I'd offer you a trip. It's expensive enough keeping current on 3 types. But if you are coming up, let me know, maybe we can meet up.
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I like 'patter' 
Thread drift........ sorry, BRL!
The collective noun for students would have to be something like:
A whinging of students.....
A cockup of students.....
A circuit of students.....
A circling of students.....
A navigational uncertainty of students.....
A thump'n'go of students.....
Thread drift........ sorry, BRL!
The collective noun for students would have to be something like:
A whinging of students.....
A cockup of students.....
A circuit of students.....
A circling of students.....
A navigational uncertainty of students.....
A thump'n'go of students.....
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Fat Frank,
Forget the Grob, if you live 'darn sarf' why not try a Katana? nimble, great vis, not bad performance, generally nice to fly and you can do wingovers etc.
There's a few for hire down your way, Redhill?
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Forget the Grob, if you live 'darn sarf' why not try a Katana? nimble, great vis, not bad performance, generally nice to fly and you can do wingovers etc.
There's a few for hire down your way, Redhill?
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Closeish relatives, there's a military spec Firefly at Thruxton and a couple of Bulldogs at Old Sarum - both should be fairly close to you. Also, both airfields have ex-military test pilots on the instructional staff, so if you really want to learn about the aeroplane they are (IMHO) the sort of chaps to go to.
G
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Excuse the bad manners in not posting for a week, I was away on holiday but was amazed at the amount of postings I found when I logged in.
Thanks everyone for the very helpful advice, and cheers Poetpilot for your offer. Have now booked a few hours at Barton, so am well looking forward to that. Did enquire into the possibilities of doing some aeros in the Grob but was told at my weight (80kg) I could forget it!! Does anyone know of a good school/instructor for aeros in the Barton/Manchester area?
Cheers
Fat Frank
Thanks everyone for the very helpful advice, and cheers Poetpilot for your offer. Have now booked a few hours at Barton, so am well looking forward to that. Did enquire into the possibilities of doing some aeros in the Grob but was told at my weight (80kg) I could forget it!! Does anyone know of a good school/instructor for aeros in the Barton/Manchester area?
Cheers
Fat Frank
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We have over 40 G115s, the C2 model with 180 HP, constant speed props.
I have about 1000 hours in them. Great aircraft, only problem we seem to have is in the go-around, they are so overpowered they will roll left if you do not add right rudder in when you go around with the application of full power.
I have not found another two seat trainer that I can sit at 50 kts 15-20 deg NU and still climb at 500 fpm. Very precise handling is required to fly the aircraft accurately.
Hopefully some time in the future we will be replacing the 180 HP lycomings with a diesel engine, they will drop the fuel burn down from 38 lph to 16 lph which will give us extra legs, we only have fours hours endurance at 38 lph.
Extremely crashworthy aircraft have a look at these accident reports, any other aircraft, the students would be deceased http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occu...ail.cfm?ID=410 http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occu...ail.cfm?ID=420
We have over 40 G115s, the C2 model with 180 HP, constant speed props.
I have about 1000 hours in them. Great aircraft, only problem we seem to have is in the go-around, they are so overpowered they will roll left if you do not add right rudder in when you go around with the application of full power.
I have not found another two seat trainer that I can sit at 50 kts 15-20 deg NU and still climb at 500 fpm. Very precise handling is required to fly the aircraft accurately.
Hopefully some time in the future we will be replacing the 180 HP lycomings with a diesel engine, they will drop the fuel burn down from 38 lph to 16 lph which will give us extra legs, we only have fours hours endurance at 38 lph.
Extremely crashworthy aircraft have a look at these accident reports, any other aircraft, the students would be deceased http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occu...ail.cfm?ID=410 http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occu...ail.cfm?ID=420