SSD, I have to disagree. I've had a bit of experience (20 hours or so) in the Grob 115E, and I must say it felt pretty good! It's got great aerobatic handling, and has a pretty good performance spec. I do appreciate that there may be many 'better' a/c out there, but Fat Frank, if you can get an hour or two in a Grob (especially if you're interested in aeros/unusual attitude stuff) then go for it!