Of course I can land in your front garden
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A message for the sceptics
Breathe a sigh of relief about your insurance premiums - the Auster went this morning.
The sight and sound of the aircraft climbing away at 7.00am from a frozen field on a crisp beautiful still morning was a joy to behold - and at a time when you would struggle to hire a club machine.
A correct risk assessment by the pilot, no drama, no nuisance.
9-5 club flying might be fun for you but there are broader horizons out there if only you were to taste the spirit of adventure rather than just read about it and sniff.
Anybody out there done any mountain flying on skis? I bet thats fun. Bush flying too. There are plenty of people around the world who rely on their stick and rudder skills for a living and who would laugh at the fuss made by you sceptics over this incident.
Anyway - it prompted an amusing thread!
HP
The sight and sound of the aircraft climbing away at 7.00am from a frozen field on a crisp beautiful still morning was a joy to behold - and at a time when you would struggle to hire a club machine.
A correct risk assessment by the pilot, no drama, no nuisance.
9-5 club flying might be fun for you but there are broader horizons out there if only you were to taste the spirit of adventure rather than just read about it and sniff.
Anybody out there done any mountain flying on skis? I bet thats fun. Bush flying too. There are plenty of people around the world who rely on their stick and rudder skills for a living and who would laugh at the fuss made by you sceptics over this incident.
Anyway - it prompted an amusing thread!
HP
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HP,
Please put me down for the inaugural PPRuNe Front Garden Fly-in
By the way, on the subject of landing in interesting places, I think there's a Barra fly-in coming up in April which involves landing on the beach there at low tide.
Please put me down for the inaugural PPRuNe Front Garden Fly-in
By the way, on the subject of landing in interesting places, I think there's a Barra fly-in coming up in April which involves landing on the beach there at low tide.
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Anybody out there done any mountain flying on skis? I bet thats fun.
Had a great session on the glaciers around Mont Blanc, followed by some PFL's into Megève altiport.
Here's a pic.
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Hi AF - that does look like fun - I'm sure it would blow my frock right up.
How do I make it happen?
Is the 'apres ski' hangover compulsory? I had to give up skiing - I kept injuring my liver.
HP
How do I make it happen?
Is the 'apres ski' hangover compulsory? I had to give up skiing - I kept injuring my liver.
HP
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Hi HP...
I was going to have a nosey around tomorrow to see if I could find the Auster......
Never mind.
What is a great shame though is that the best flying Wx so far this year had to coincide with one of the more busy periods at the grind stone.
And looking at the long TAFs it is due to finish..........tomorrow when I do have some time to go and play.
Well if it is as bad as suggested best go for a jar.
R U about?
FD
Never mind.
What is a great shame though is that the best flying Wx so far this year had to coincide with one of the more busy periods at the grind stone.
And looking at the long TAFs it is due to finish..........tomorrow when I do have some time to go and play.
Well if it is as bad as suggested best go for a jar.
R U about?
FD
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Well I too have my views about the preflight planning or lack of and the (ir)responsible attitude of the pilot regarding the landing strip but aren't going to waste my time posting them as genuine concerns about safety and standards of training result in the poster being labelled a tw@t.
Might I suggest a free subscription to the AAIB accident reports each month - it is frightening how many of the incidents/accidents are due to poor planning/poor decision making/lack of common sense or sheer stupidity.
Flying IS fun thats we we all do it - thats why I fly rotary cos I think it even more fun BUT it needs to be keep as safe as is reasonably possible....
Might I suggest a free subscription to the AAIB accident reports each month - it is frightening how many of the incidents/accidents are due to poor planning/poor decision making/lack of common sense or sheer stupidity.
Flying IS fun thats we we all do it - thats why I fly rotary cos I think it even more fun BUT it needs to be keep as safe as is reasonably possible....
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No FD I ve followed the thread closely.
Apart from the comment that at 0700 the Auster left the field at no time has Hairyplane given any details of his location or the type of garden he has, nor has he denied that this incident occurred due to a 'bet'. No details if the grass is prepared, no info as to whether Rule 5 may have been bent. How close the neighbours are or if they are flying friendly.
IMHO - the 'strip' wasn't in a suitable condition to use as a runway. Yes I know he landed OK, but the ground wasn't of a firm enough quality to take off again. That's fine for an EMERGENCY landing but for 'a drop in to prove I can' I think it was irresponsible - the pilot obviously didn't check the state of the strip either visually or by phone to Hairyplane or perhaps he did and made a judgement error - again HP hasn't been forth coming with details....
I never said it was an irresponsible act of bravdo - although if YOU read the whole thread I think there are others who may think this way.
What if the press had started asking questions? Would HP and his friend have lied as to why the ac was left there for days?
As I said flying is fun but as a pilot - professional or private you have to show a reasonable standard of sensibility and responsibilty.
Apart from the comment that at 0700 the Auster left the field at no time has Hairyplane given any details of his location or the type of garden he has, nor has he denied that this incident occurred due to a 'bet'. No details if the grass is prepared, no info as to whether Rule 5 may have been bent. How close the neighbours are or if they are flying friendly.
IMHO - the 'strip' wasn't in a suitable condition to use as a runway. Yes I know he landed OK, but the ground wasn't of a firm enough quality to take off again. That's fine for an EMERGENCY landing but for 'a drop in to prove I can' I think it was irresponsible - the pilot obviously didn't check the state of the strip either visually or by phone to Hairyplane or perhaps he did and made a judgement error - again HP hasn't been forth coming with details....
I never said it was an irresponsible act of bravdo - although if YOU read the whole thread I think there are others who may think this way.
What if the press had started asking questions? Would HP and his friend have lied as to why the ac was left there for days?
As I said flying is fun but as a pilot - professional or private you have to show a reasonable standard of sensibility and responsibilty.
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I would like to give my support for Hairyplane's mate, he was just having a laugh and was easily capable of carrying it out, I mean it's not like he was flying a 3 foot fly by inverted, he was just landing on a 300m grass strip, not the most outrageous stunt I think you'll agree. And worst case scenario it's only him that's going to get killed anyway so it should be up to him. So fair play to him and congratulations on his fine aviating spirit. Frightening when you see some people want to ban that sort of thing, makes me wonder what private flying will be like when I'm older......
By the way, I reckon your average taildragger, strip flyer would be far more likely to walk away from an engine failure than your average spamcam guy.
By the way, I reckon your average taildragger, strip flyer would be far more likely to walk away from an engine failure than your average spamcam guy.
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PW, you wrote:
Can I just take you one paragraph back in your own posting:
I think you are getting far too hot under the collar:
1. What if the press had started asking questions
2. No details if the grass is prepared
3. no time has Hairyplane given any details of his location or the type of garden
4. IMHO - the 'strip' wasn't in a suitable condition
5. etc
1. yes so what, nowt illegal has happened. One is allowed to land on any piece of land over here providing you have the owner's permission. There is a specific proviso re rule five for the purpose of taking off and landing
2. It seems to have been prepared OK by the frost
3. One that is big enough for the purpose of this exercise
4. Obviously you were wrong; it was flown in and out without problems
And whilst I dont know HP's neighbours they are less likely to be upset by the gentle purring of the Auster's Cirrus than these noisy helicopters.
Chill bill,
FD
PS: I think you are secretly jealous that a f/w guy did something usually only possible for you rotorjocks. Too darned small these English gardens
I never said it was an irresponsible act of bravdo
I think it was irresponsible
1. What if the press had started asking questions
2. No details if the grass is prepared
3. no time has Hairyplane given any details of his location or the type of garden
4. IMHO - the 'strip' wasn't in a suitable condition
5. etc
1. yes so what, nowt illegal has happened. One is allowed to land on any piece of land over here providing you have the owner's permission. There is a specific proviso re rule five for the purpose of taking off and landing
2. It seems to have been prepared OK by the frost
3. One that is big enough for the purpose of this exercise
4. Obviously you were wrong; it was flown in and out without problems
And whilst I dont know HP's neighbours they are less likely to be upset by the gentle purring of the Auster's Cirrus than these noisy helicopters.
Chill bill,
FD
PS: I think you are secretly jealous that a f/w guy did something usually only possible for you rotorjocks. Too darned small these English gardens
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FD.
Stop taking the Pi**!
The first quote is in correct - I actually wrote (IR)RESPONSIBLE - to allow others to make their own decision.
The 2nd quote was in response to your post so not sure how you can link this to your earlier post as it came afterwards.
1. Where does any post state or show this wasn't illegal? Illegal or not bad press affects all of us flyers - read recent posts on the forum about how the press distort the truth to give flying a bad deal.
2. Sorry but the low temperature making a 'strip' usable begs belief! What if it had defrosted before the pilot arrived?
3. Still no details - whatever you presume. I could physical land a S61 in my garden but it would still be stupid and irresponsible of me.
4. READ THE POST OF HAIRYPLANE. Hoping for frost or having to wait for the ground to dry before it can leave! Hardly no problems or a suitable ground for a 'runway'! If there were no problems with the strip he could of left the same day if he wished.,
Did I ever mention neighbours opinions on noise?
Anti aviation types actually don't know or care what it is that lands near there home - most wouldn't known the difference between a 747 or 152 or S61 or R22 - its all 'intrusive' noise.
To be honest I really don't give a toss about where you can or can't land. If anything the reverse is the case - planks are jealous of how versatile and adaptable rotary aircraft are...
Get real - on the basis of the information provided by Hairyplane and the lack of denial of irresponsiblity from him, what other conclusion can a PROFESSIONAL aviator or the general public come to?
Stop taking the Pi**!
The first quote is in correct - I actually wrote (IR)RESPONSIBLE - to allow others to make their own decision.
The 2nd quote was in response to your post so not sure how you can link this to your earlier post as it came afterwards.
1. Where does any post state or show this wasn't illegal? Illegal or not bad press affects all of us flyers - read recent posts on the forum about how the press distort the truth to give flying a bad deal.
2. Sorry but the low temperature making a 'strip' usable begs belief! What if it had defrosted before the pilot arrived?
3. Still no details - whatever you presume. I could physical land a S61 in my garden but it would still be stupid and irresponsible of me.
4. READ THE POST OF HAIRYPLANE. Hoping for frost or having to wait for the ground to dry before it can leave! Hardly no problems or a suitable ground for a 'runway'! If there were no problems with the strip he could of left the same day if he wished.,
Did I ever mention neighbours opinions on noise?
Anti aviation types actually don't know or care what it is that lands near there home - most wouldn't known the difference between a 747 or 152 or S61 or R22 - its all 'intrusive' noise.
To be honest I really don't give a toss about where you can or can't land. If anything the reverse is the case - planks are jealous of how versatile and adaptable rotary aircraft are...
Get real - on the basis of the information provided by Hairyplane and the lack of denial of irresponsiblity from him, what other conclusion can a PROFESSIONAL aviator or the general public come to?
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PW wrote:
FD.
Stop taking the pi**!
Stop taking the pi**!
1. In this country one is innocent until proven guillty. Why do you assume that this was anything less than legal. Loads of people fly in and out of their strips/garden. If the thread would have read: 'Of course I can land in your paddock/field/strip' none of this would have been written.
2. I think that they would have drunk a cuppa instead of flying.
3. Only you can judge that as you know your skills and the size of your patch. I can't and neither can anyone else on this forum. The very crux of this thread
4. I best not tell you than that there are loads of 'official' strips and CAA licenced airfields that have to close in the winter due to waterlogging and general bogginess. You could get upset.
To be honest I really don't give a toss about where you can or can't land. If anything the reverse is the case - planks are jealous of how versatile and adaptable rotary aircraft are...
I think most f/w jocks admire the versatility of helos, however not if it driving them makes one uptight or suffering from a total humour failure
I was always under the impression that the main difference between 'the general public' and professionals was the ability to distinguish between what is written in the general press and factual reports.
May be not all professionals are blessed with this ability.
In a previous post I wrote:
Chill bill,
FD