Parking at major airfields..?
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Parking at major airfields..?
Weather permitting, this Saturday I'm flying to Norwich airport and back to pick up a passenger. To my surprise, when I've called Ops at the airport, they have advised me that as I will only be on the ground a short while, I will be directed to park the C150 at the main terminal, rather than in a GA area.
Is this normal for private flights into fairly large airports? I know Norwich isn't all that busy but it does seem a little strange that I may be allocated my own 'departure gate' for one passenger, and have to park alongside F27s, J31s etc.
Has anyone been to Norwich, and if so where were they asked to park? And has anyone else encountered this at similar sized airfields?
Thanks folks!
(PS - hope the blinkin' weather improves by then....)
Is this normal for private flights into fairly large airports? I know Norwich isn't all that busy but it does seem a little strange that I may be allocated my own 'departure gate' for one passenger, and have to park alongside F27s, J31s etc.
Has anyone been to Norwich, and if so where were they asked to park? And has anyone else encountered this at similar sized airfields?
Thanks folks!
(PS - hope the blinkin' weather improves by then....)
you'll probably be parked just to the east of the terminal, quite possibly next to a JetStream or similar. To meet your passenger you'll need to access the terminal through the pax entrance.
Gaining access back airside is always the less easy bit.
You'll need proofs of id - licence/passport etc and have your mugshots taken as your details are taken down before being escorted back airside.
Don't forget your yellow flak jacket either!
Good luck, Andy Mac.
Gaining access back airside is always the less easy bit.
You'll need proofs of id - licence/passport etc and have your mugshots taken as your details are taken down before being escorted back airside.
Don't forget your yellow flak jacket either!
Good luck, Andy Mac.
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Re: Parking at major airfields..?
bigal,
Try calling the local FBO and asking them what the normal procedures are. I've seen this done at some of the airports that I've worked at in the US, but since 9/11 I didn't think anyone was allowing GA aircraft to park anywhere near the terminal security areas.
Mike
Try calling the local FBO and asking them what the normal procedures are. I've seen this done at some of the airports that I've worked at in the US, but since 9/11 I didn't think anyone was allowing GA aircraft to park anywhere near the terminal security areas.
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Norwich
While we are on the subject of Norwich.... I planned a VFR flight there a couple of months back, and when I called up 10 mins out (as notified) I was told (very abruptly) that they were PPR and that I was not welcome. I assumed at the time that I had missed this in the Jeppesen manual and stayed away. Now I can see in Jeppesen and the AIP that there is no mention of PPR and wonder if they were within their rights to refuse me permission to land.
Fortunately I was not flying there for any particular reason and diverted to Old Buckenham, where I was very welcome and spent a very pleasant afternoon.
Fortunately I was not flying there for any particular reason and diverted to Old Buckenham, where I was very welcome and spent a very pleasant afternoon.
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andymac's spot on - except for the bit about the tabards (to use a new word I learnt the other day) - they're advised but voluntary I believe.
The last two times I was there I was parked on stand 5 - marked on the airfield diagrams if you want to check it. Being picked up by van for the 100 yards to the terminal seems compulsory. Strangely, they don't mind you walking back to the aircraft later. I think the landing fee includes a couple of hours parking.
Careful not to take anything sharp through to the terminal with you. On return to the aircraft they search you & xray your belongings. Dunno what they do if you are carrying a penknife or something - you can hardly pack it in your checked-in luggage.
I've always found it a nice friendly little airport with no pretentions of grandeur.
The last two times I was there I was parked on stand 5 - marked on the airfield diagrams if you want to check it. Being picked up by van for the 100 yards to the terminal seems compulsory. Strangely, they don't mind you walking back to the aircraft later. I think the landing fee includes a couple of hours parking.
Careful not to take anything sharp through to the terminal with you. On return to the aircraft they search you & xray your belongings. Dunno what they do if you are carrying a penknife or something - you can hardly pack it in your checked-in luggage.
I've always found it a nice friendly little airport with no pretentions of grandeur.
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I went earlier this year and ATC were excellent.
It was a claggy day with ILS radiating on 27 but wind calm. So requested straight in on 09 as they seemed very quiet.
Wx was worse than ATIS giving and ATCO vectored me on to 09 and came out on final at a lowish level.......but its flat round there!
Parked on St 5 or 6 and stayed all day. Seemed a bit pricy on parking - think first two hours were free - but ask.
It was a claggy day with ILS radiating on 27 but wind calm. So requested straight in on 09 as they seemed very quiet.
Wx was worse than ATIS giving and ATCO vectored me on to 09 and came out on final at a lowish level.......but its flat round there!
Parked on St 5 or 6 and stayed all day. Seemed a bit pricy on parking - think first two hours were free - but ask.
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Went there in August and parked on Stand 5 next to a couple of Shorts 330s. Minibus arrived, chap got out, chocked my aircraft then took me the 100m to the terminal. As has been said the security checks to get back airside are impressive, leave anything dodgy (e.g. penknifes) in the plane.
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If you'd bothered to check your notams, you would know that Norwich was PPR on a Sunday only, between about 1400 and 1700
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This was due to the fact that there were insufficiant ground staff to handle G/A and the larger than anticipated number of schedule and charter flights that operated in that period in the summer period. This notam was in force from the beginning of May until last week.
As has already been described, you could be parked anywhere on the airfield, which is why the minibus comes to meet you, and will take you back to the terminal.
Security is a fact of life these days, the screeners are only doing what they're told to do by the government, including checking that you are who you say you are, and removing pointy suspicious things from you if you don't leave them in the aircraft.
The landing fees aren't to different from surrounding airfields/airports, if you ring in advance and say you're a training flight, you'll get a hefty (50 -75%) discount.
If you'd bothered to check your notams, you would know that Norwich was PPR on a Sunday only, between about 1400 and 1700
. This was due to the fact that there were insufficiant ground staff to handle G/A and the larger than anticipated number of schedule and charter flights that operated in that period in the summer period. This notam was in force from the beginning of May until last week.
As has already been described, you could be parked anywhere on the airfield, which is why the minibus comes to meet you, and will take you back to the terminal.
Security is a fact of life these days, the screeners are only doing what they're told to do by the government, including checking that you are who you say you are, and removing pointy suspicious things from you if you don't leave them in the aircraft.
The landing fees aren't to different from surrounding airfields/airports, if you ring in advance and say you're a training flight, you'll get a hefty (50 -75%) discount.
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I have always found Norwich, to be one of the best & cheapest distinations for GA. No compulsory & expensive "handling". Reasonable price for landing & parking for a large airport. Usually told to park at stand 5, which is near the terminal & the marshaller gives you a lift in his minibus, to the terminal.
Then, if you want to save the cost of a taxi, you can catch the "Park & Ride" bus into the centre of Norwich. ATC usually very friendly & helpful. Yes, you do have to go through security & have you piccie taken, but that is fairly common these days & we should not complain about it.
At some regional airports, such as Bristol & Luton, you are lucky to get a bill of less than £50 for a S/E, landing, parking & handling. AND you get muttered at if you forget to wear the yellow tabard/waistcoat.
Then, if you want to save the cost of a taxi, you can catch the "Park & Ride" bus into the centre of Norwich. ATC usually very friendly & helpful. Yes, you do have to go through security & have you piccie taken, but that is fairly common these days & we should not complain about it.
At some regional airports, such as Bristol & Luton, you are lucky to get a bill of less than £50 for a S/E, landing, parking & handling. AND you get muttered at if you forget to wear the yellow tabard/waistcoat.
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Have you got an airport pass from the airport you fly out from. The airport i fly out from offer passes to employers / student pilots at the airport. I think they cost around 40-50 pounds and when you have one they allow you access to any airport in the country. The yellow and white ones are for aircrew and so i believe they would minimise security checks a little.
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Have you got an airport pass from the airport that you fly out from?
When flying in the UK, as well as abroad, I always carry my passport, pilot's licence, driving licence, AOPA membership card (which has my picture on it), and my local flying school membership card (that also has my digital picture on it). Most airport security (including Norwich) are happy with the passport + pilot's licence.
It seems odd, that there are so many people who oppose National Indentity Cards in the UK, when the ID most acceptable to UK airports, banks & anyone else in authority, is a UK passport!
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Unless my reading of Schedule 11 of the ANO is incorrect (http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/s...1562.htm#sch11) there is no requirement for a pilot on a private flight in the UK to carry an identity document (other than a licence). Whilst I agree that it is sensible to carry something I don't see how the airfield has any legal authority to demand photo ID (any more than my local rail station has).
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PhilD Strickly legally speaking, I have no doubt that you are perfectly correct.
However, when faced with the security staff at say, Norwich, who demand an ID, with a photo on it, BEFORE that will let you out onto the apron, producing a passport, seems to be the quickest solution.
At many regional airports, GA pilots have to walk past commercial aircraft to get to the little'uns. So presumably the airport security staff owe a duty of care to the commercial passengers, not to let just anyone onto the apron, without checking who they are first.
Whatever the ANO may say, this is just the post Sept 11th realities.
However, when faced with the security staff at say, Norwich, who demand an ID, with a photo on it, BEFORE that will let you out onto the apron, producing a passport, seems to be the quickest solution.
At many regional airports, GA pilots have to walk past commercial aircraft to get to the little'uns. So presumably the airport security staff owe a duty of care to the commercial passengers, not to let just anyone onto the apron, without checking who they are first.
Whatever the ANO may say, this is just the post Sept 11th realities.
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I have visited Norwich on a couple of occasions for instrument refreshers and overnights. ATC and ground staff were helpful. Not overly expensive for a regional airfield, and as nicnak says, you can ask for a discount.
The AOPA aircrew card is a useful, credit card sized, photo id. I always keep it in my wallet, have to be particularly stupid to find myself the wrong side of security with no id. (Also good for discounts at hotels etc).
The AOPA aircrew card is a useful, credit card sized, photo id. I always keep it in my wallet, have to be particularly stupid to find myself the wrong side of security with no id. (Also good for discounts at hotels etc).
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Phil D.
If you'd bothered to check your notams, you would know that Norwich was PPR on a Sunday only, between about 1400 and 1700
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completley unneccassary. Another keyboard warrior comes to irritate me.
Phil D.
If you'd bothered to check your notams, you would know that Norwich was PPR on a Sunday only, between about 1400 and 1700
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completley unneccassary. Another keyboard warrior comes to irritate me.
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Interesting thing about the ID cards. I was refused entry onto a moderate sized airport for a flying lesson with a school based there because I had no photo ID. I was with the instructor and this was my third lesson however none of us realised I needed my passport! Found something semi official with a photo on which was accepted (eventually) but caused some problems none the less.
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Kirstey and PhilD
Have a look at ATSU and NOTAMS
niknaks post is about three or four in - and its obvious he/she is a ********.
Have a look at ATSU and NOTAMS
niknaks post is about three or four in - and its obvious he/she is a ********.
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Kirstey, PhilD and Pilatus.
By all means insult me if I'm wrong, but, as even the most basically qualified pilot knows, if you can't access notams, ring up the airfield before hand to find out what is going on.
I assume that you're the all - knowing pilots who don't need to know such basics, and conduct yourselves in an equally cavilier fashion when flying.
Don't worry, we all have encountered the type - "dickheads".
By all means insult me if I'm wrong, but, as even the most basically qualified pilot knows, if you can't access notams, ring up the airfield before hand to find out what is going on.
I assume that you're the all - knowing pilots who don't need to know such basics, and conduct yourselves in an equally cavilier fashion when flying.
Don't worry, we all have encountered the type - "dickheads".