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Old 23rd May 2021, 09:47
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Exclamation Revalidation

Does an examiner who had an EASA licence (part FCL) issued by the U.K. CAA- when U.K. was still in EU- still have an EASA licence if their rating has not expired?

will the IAA accept revalidations from examiners with a part fcl licence issued by the U.K. when the u.k. was part if the E.U.?

The IAA website states ‘Examiners certified by the UK CAA and not holding an Examiner certificate issued i.a.w. FCL.1000(c) by an EASA Member State, MAY NOT carry out any activity relating to an Irish Issued Part FCL licence. This includes performance of skill tests or proficiency checks, revalidation of rating pages etc.’

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Old 23rd May 2021, 10:37
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EASA licenses issued by the UK CAA are no longer EASA licenses. They remain solely as UK licenses and are fully ICAO compliant but with the exception of the LAPL which is not ICAO compliant and therefor cannot be used internationally.

will the IAA accept revalidations from examiners with a part fcl licence issued by the U.K. when the u.k. was part if the E.U.?

The IAA website states ‘Examiners certified by the UK CAA and not holding an Examiner certificate issued i.a.w. FCL.1000(c) by an EASA Member State, MAY NOT carry out any activity relating to an Irish Issued Part FCL licence. This includes performance of skill tests or proficiency checks, revalidation of rating pages etc.’
You have answered your own question.
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Old 23rd May 2021, 21:54
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Originally Posted by Fl1ingfrog View Post
EASA licenses issued by the UK CAA are no longer EASA licenses. They remain solely as UK licenses and are fully ICAO compliant but with the exception of the LAPL which is not ICAO compliant and therefor cannot be used internationally.



You have answered your own question.
What Im finding is that there are some flying clubs who are advertising EASA PPL courses, but then have no instructors or examiners with licences issued by an EASA state. Ive spoken to instructors and examiners who are also under the impression that theyve got an EASA licence issued by the CAA - which I don't think is possible.

These are flight schools so Id have thought someone would have made them aware before now that they can no longer carry out training/exams for EASA PPL. It has made me wonder if there is something I am unaware of that is allowing them to continue training people for EASA PPL, carrying out revalidations and renewals etc. - maybe the FCL1000(c) ?
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Old 23rd May 2021, 23:05
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There are a number of UK ATO's who have registered directly with a EASA state and primarily provide training for EASA licenses. The Instructors are of course required to hold an EASA licence and Instructor Certificates. It is possible to hold an EASA licence and a UK licence since January 1st. This also applies to Examiner authorities.
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Old 24th May 2021, 09:16
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The Instructors are of course required to hold an EASA licence and Instructor Certificates.
Not entirely true. Instructors at third country ATOs are required to hold an EASA instructor certificate but not necessarily an EASA licence (FCL.900(c))
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Old 24th May 2021, 17:07
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That's interesting. How is the EASA Instructor Certificate attached to the UK Pilot's Licence?.
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Old 25th May 2021, 10:13
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Why would it need to be attached to a UK licence? FAA instructors at EASA ATOs in the US do not have their EASA instructor certificate attached to their FAA licence (sorry, license).
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Old 25th May 2021, 13:33
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Why would it need to be attached to a UK licence?
I couldn't give an answer to that question which is why I asked mine. Thank you for your clarification. So, from your answer, I presume a standalone certificate is issued. What is the process on revalidation or renewal of the certificate?

attached to their FAA licence (sorry, license).
You were correct to write "licence" (singular) as above but it is 'licenses' if plural.
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Old 25th May 2021, 18:22
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Originally Posted by Fl1ingfrog View Post
You were correct to write "licence" (singular) as above but it is 'licenses' if plural.
I think 'the cousins' actually (mis)spell the noun as 'license', as they misspell 'defense'. They refer to pilot certificates rather than licence/license anyhow.
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Old 25th May 2021, 19:35
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Originally Posted by Fl1ingfrog View Post
You were correct to write "licence" (singular) as above but it is 'licenses' if plural.
You're going to have to explain to me how you think that is the case.
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Old 26th May 2021, 15:57
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Sorry, I was wrong to refer to singular v plural. I should have referred to the noun and the verb. Therefore in the UK: to obtain a licence you must apply to the licensing dept. The licence to sell alcohol must be displayed prominently in the restaurant. The restaurant is licensed to sell alcohol.

The US uses one spelling always with the 's'. So the "FAA License" with the 's' will be correct.
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