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Old 19th May 2021, 11:09
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Why is it that LAPL H is restricted to piston engine only? What is the increased risk if all other LAPL privilege restrictions are fulfilled? Those with the competence and or experience to fly this more reliable, safer and simpler to operate power plant are not allowed too? Some LAPL H holders are restricted by medical complications to the LAPL privileges but why would the powerplant be of concern.

If the issue is experience then there could be frozen privileges until the required experience is achieved which should not be more than the equivalent PPL criteria for a turbine rating. All seems odd to me and without real risk analysis.
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Old 20th May 2021, 00:05
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Exactly the same reason that LAPL (A) holders are restricted to piston engines. Because the European rule makers considered it appropriate. Whilst we have left the EU we still follow their rules.
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Old 20th May 2021, 18:11
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Errr.... it isnít. LAPL H can fly turbine.
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Old 21st May 2021, 08:52
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What he said. The only limitations on the LAPL(H) are the number of engines (1) and the certificated take-off mass (2000kg).
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Old 21st May 2021, 17:46
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I thought it covered turbines but now I wonder if whopity says no !!!!
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Old 22nd May 2021, 09:19
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No, there is a difference. Fixed wing are single engine piston with a weight limit. Rotary are single engine with a weight limit but no mention of piston engine. That’s from the EASA easy access rules.
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 19:22
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Up date to LAPL H and Turbine.

I was told by CAA earlier this year that LAPL licence and Medical were not OK for Jet Ranger. I did not accept the logic of this and challenged the decision..

A very good CAA licensing inspector took up the case and proved clearly that it was allowable. Those at the CAA who said it wasn't, later said they had assumed I was on a self declared medical. However I had clearly asked the question Is it my LAPL licence or medical certificate that is the issue in an email to the CAA when they first refused to allow Tiger to train me (actually on the morning I attend Tiger Helicopters to start my conversion).

The specific question about LAPL licence or medical certificate was never answered by those who refused to allow Tiger to train me and of course no apology for wasting my time either. I have now done the accelerated 2 hour conversion course (have loads of turbine mil hours) and passed the skills test.

So as many have subsequently said, if the turbine all up mass and passenger numbers carried are within the LAPL privileges then turbine no problem. I have however yet to get my licence back so still time for them to find a clause or a loophole to deny me the rating.

PPL H and LAPL H with self declared medical is, I believe, not allowed for turbine aircraft. Not sure what the powerplant has to do with the medical as long as the other licence privileges or restrictions are applied?
We live and learn, many thanks to those who responded to my original post.

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Old 29th Jul 2021, 20:58
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So LAPL(H) can fly MD500, MD600, Bell 206 and 505, EC120, Gazelle,but not AS350.

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Old 23rd Aug 2021, 21:50
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Hi, I want to purchase a Jet Ranger and Iím a LAPL H holder, did you manage to get your LAPL type rating for a Jet Ranger? Iíd really appreciate an update. Thanks
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