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Old 15th Jul 2020, 10:44
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Revalidate SEP rating

Hi guys / gals ,

posting here as I am being given conflicting information .
Iím looking to renew my SEP rating after many years away from it ( itís expired by about 5 years I think)
I hold a full ATPL with about 10000 hours , I understand that I need to do some training flights and a flight check as well .
is there a specific amount of training that I need to do ? Can this training be done with a normal FI ?
do I need a FE with specific privileges to do the check ?
many thanks for your help
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 23:09
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As has been stated many times here, the best advice is to go and visit your local flying school/club. They will be able to tell you what needs doing. A regular SEP instructor and examiner is what you need, based at a Declared Training Organisation. I hope the conflicting advice isn't coming from your local club!

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Old 16th Jul 2020, 08:20
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The rules are clear and straightforward (assuming you are in EASA-land),
finding the one for you, however, can be a right challenge.

Google: 'FCL.740'

Bit of jargon helps: right now you are looking to RENEW your expired rating.
Sort things out before expiry - always less painful - and it is called REVALIDATION.

Cutting to the chase, here is the actual requirement:

FCL.740 Validity and renewal of class and type ratings
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(b) Renewal. If a class or type rating has expired, the applicant shall take the following steps:
(1) pass a proficiency check in accordance with Appendix 9 to this Annex;
(2) prior to the proficiency check referred to in point (1), take refresher training at an ATO, where necessary to reach the level of proficiency to safely operate the relevant class or type of aircraft. However, the applicant may take the training:
(i) at a DTO or at an ATO, where the expired rating was a non-high-performance single-engine piston class rating, .....
(ii) at a DTO, at an ATO or with an instructor, where the rating expired for no more than three years and the rating was a non-high-performance single-engine piston class rating or a TMG class rating.
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 08:36
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Do you have a UK licence?
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 10:20
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Thx guys , appreciate it , Iíve got an EASA licence
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Old 17th Jul 2020, 08:30
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Yes, but is it UK issued?
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Old 17th Jul 2020, 09:33
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No , itís Irish .
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Old 17th Jul 2020, 19:32
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Its training as defined by the Head of Training of an ATO and an LPC. Thats it. I do loads of them.
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Old 17th Jul 2020, 19:47
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Not quite, S-Works,
It is possible to avoid an ATO entirely.
Please do read FCL.740 (above)
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Old 18th Jul 2020, 08:25
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And it's possible the Irish Authority may or may not have slightly different requirements, which i why I asked #6. Europe is not all joined up! Also, a UK examiner may not be able to carry out the process. I certainly wouldn't do so without written authority from Eire.
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Old 18th Jul 2020, 09:10
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Not quite, S-Works,
It is possible to avoid an ATO entirely.
Please do read FCL.740 (above)
No, its not. Its an ATO/DTO involvement, unless of course you are playing semantics on the difference between an ATO and DTO? The IAA requires assessment of the candidate, training as required and an LPC. On completion the Course Completion Certificate and test paperwork are submitted and rating reissued. I am the Head of Training of a UK ATO in Spain, its our bread and butter business and I deal with NAAs from all over Europe including the IAA extensively. In fact i have an IAA licence holder in doing exactly this now.....

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And it's possible the Irish Authority may or may not have slightly different requirements, which i why I asked #6. Europe is not all joined up! Also, a UK examiner may not be able to carry out the process. I certainly wouldn't do so without written authority from Eire.
Its the same process and can be done by any EASA Examiner.
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Old 18th Jul 2020, 22:26
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Ah,
if I were the Head of Training at an ATO, perhaps I'd view ATO/DTO as semantics.
If, however,
I had a DTO nearby, but the nearest ATO was some distance away and/or more expensive, I might take a different view.
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 10:32
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Originally Posted by 460 View Post
Ah,
if I were the Head of Training at an ATO, perhaps I'd view ATO/DTO as semantics.
If, however,
I had a DTO nearby, but the nearest ATO was some distance away and/or more expensive, I might take a different view.
ROTFL..... do you think itís going to make any difference at all whether itís an ATO or DTO?. Why would an ATO be more expensive?
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 08:10
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Because, at least in the UK, they invariably are.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 17:23
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For those organisations that teach the: CPL, IR and Instructor courses they have had to be an approved organisation (ATO) but under the same roof some operate as a flying club charging PPL prices for those purposes.. For schools/clubs teaching the private licenses, EASA couldn't make up its mind for may years, many clubs got on with things (wise or not) and also became an ATO but continued charging the normal PPL scale of prices.

An ATO doesn't mean expensive anymore than DTO means cheap. Having said that the EASA has sought at every turn to make all flying expensive. They'l get you whatever choice you make, ATO or DTO.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 19:38
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Originally Posted by Fl1ingfrog View Post
For those organisations that teach the: CPL, IR and Instructor courses they have had to be an approved organisation (ATO) but under the same roof some operate as a flying club charging PPL prices for those purposes.. For schools/clubs teaching the private licenses, EASA couldn't make up its mind for may years, many clubs got on with things (wise or not) and also became an ATO but continued charging the normal PPL scale of prices.

An ATO doesn't mean expensive anymore than DTO means cheap. Having said that the EASA has sought at every turn to make all flying expensive. They'l get you whatever choice you make, ATO or DTO.
yep, exactly my point. We are actually both.
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