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Old 3rd Mar 2020, 21:16
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SEP Revalidation

Can anyone please tell me if the dual hours undertaken on a night rating count for the hour required with an Instructor for SEP revalidation, or does it have to be a separate hour, or check or test. Many Thanks.
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Old 3rd Mar 2020, 21:36
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All instruction hours for the night rating/qualification/certificate would qualify as an hour with an instructor for SEP revalidation.
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All PUT hours would count for any purpose.
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Thank you.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 21:49
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Flybymike, are you sure ? I’ve been told before that an hour or two PUT refreshing instrument skills before IRR revalidation test doesn’t qualify as the hour needed for SEP
revalidation. The grounds for this were (I think) that the IRR isn’t an EASA rating and training towards it doesn’t therefore count.

I’ve not got enough time nor inclination to trace the legislative veracity of this, no doubt there are those on forum older and wider than me who can comment.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 23:16
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Revalidation (as opposed to renewal) requirements are shown here;
  • Pass a proficiency check in a single-engine (single-pilot) aeroplane with an examiner. The proficiency check must take place within the 3 months immediately before the rating’s expiry date;or
  • 12 hours of flight time in single-engine (single-pilot) aeroplane within the 12 months preceding the rating’s expiry date, including the following:
    • 6 hours as pilot-in-command (PIC)
    • 12 take-offs and landings
    • a training flight of at least 1 hour (or a maximum of three totalling 1 hour) with the same flight instructor or class rating instructor. If you have already completed a proficiency check or skill test in another type or class of aeroplane, you will not have to complete this training flight.
https://www.caa.co.uk/General-aviati...or-aeroplanes/

However, even this CAA page is not up to date. Any number of instructor flights with any number of instructors for any purpose adding up to at least one hour is now acceptable. There is no requirement for a test of any sort, just one hour of instruction in the second 12 month period, but as indicated a separate test or proficiency check is also acceptable.

Ah, found it. Paragraph ten of second page here.
http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/...ter%202019.pdf

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Does an LPC in a jet ( e.g. A320) count as the 1 hour with an instructor?
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 22:46
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I believe so.

An LPC in “another type or class of aeroplane” meets the requirement.
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 07:55
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I believe so.

An LPC in “another type or class of aeroplane” meets the requirement.
It also lets you revalidate a single engine IR by experience
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Yes a PC in a jet counts, but you still need to have flown 12 hours in a SEP (or a TMG) during the second year
If not, it's quite easy to take a PC in a SEP. A short flight with any EASA CRE/FE and that's it.
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Hi, I have a follow up question regarding these requirements:
  • 12 hours of flight time in single-engine (single-pilot) aeroplane within the 12 months preceding the rating’s expiry date, including the following:
    • 6 hours as pilot-in-command (PIC)
    • 12 take-offs and landings
    • a training flight of at least 1 hour (or a maximum of three totalling 1 hour) with the same flight instructor or class rating instructor. If you have already completed a proficiency check or skill test in another type or class of aeroplane, you will not have to complete this training flight
My school told me that the training flight is not included in the 12 hours. From the above ^ it would seem like it is. Are they right? It seems like you only have to do 6 hours of solo flight time. What if I did 2 hours of training flights and had 10 hours of solo flight time. Would that count?
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Old 27th Jul 2021, 19:12
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My understanding is that your understanding is correct and your school is wrong. Much more information here.

Irv Lee - UK Pilot Mentoring
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Old 27th Jul 2021, 19:24
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Thanks Mike. I guess I'll need a written email from the CAA for them to believe me.

One more question: Do I need to send my licence to the CAA along with the filled in form so they can stamp it and add the new expiry?
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No, whatever you do don’t let go of your licence. You just send the form off either by post, or I understand there is now an email option, but I don’t have a link to hand for the email address.
Form here.
https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33...e04Enabled.pdf
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Your instructor or examiner should enter the new expiry date for the rating on your licence after completion of the relevant flight. Not the CAA
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Great, thanks for confirming!
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Old 28th Jul 2021, 09:29
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a training flight of at least 1 hour (or a maximum of three totalling 1 hour) with the same flight instructor or class rating instructor. If you have already completed a proficiency check or skill test in another type or class of aeroplane, you will not have to complete this training flight
A series of training flights to complete the 1 hour doesn't need to be with the same instructor or on the same aircraft type (must be the same class: i.e. SEPL). The instructor who revalidates the rating must have flown the final training flight though.
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Old 28th Jul 2021, 10:51
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^^ Correct. (Or any examiner)
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