If the pilot of G-JPTV is reading this...
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If the pilot of G-JPTV is reading this...
...I can testify to the loud screech of brakes from the lorry, and apologies for not managing to get the low flying aircraft warning sign in the shot.
If you were half as scared as I was, I hope you wiped the seat clean.
If you were half as scared as I was, I hope you wiped the seat clean.
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Believe me there is no monkey business going on with this image, I have the original still in my camera, and several frames either side of it! Taken today, 17:15, at Cranfield. Was there testing the new camera, and as this JP had been quite low on two previous approaches I thought I'd try for a shot of it as it went over the road. The above is the result!
Edit - QDM - 75-300mm lens, pulled right back to 75mm. It really was that close to the lorry.
Edit - QDM - 75-300mm lens, pulled right back to 75mm. It really was that close to the lorry.
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If this was taken at Cranfield, I assume that they were using Runway 04 today (due to easterly winds). This is the only runway with a road ("C" road) on short finals. It has a threshold displaced by more than 125m, which is presumably a CAA licencing requirement, due to this road.
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wierd
i know of an approach that is similar - it is a local runway in my area. roughly 100feet off the approach end was a busy street. It was about 20 feet lower than the runway, but it was still spooky as i was on short final. At one point i was maybe 30 feet over a truck. I wonder what the drivers below me were thinking
i know of an approach that is similar - it is a local runway in my area. roughly 100feet off the approach end was a busy street. It was about 20 feet lower than the runway, but it was still spooky as i was on short final. At one point i was maybe 30 feet over a truck. I wonder what the drivers below me were thinking
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Not only flapless, but with the canopy partly open. Which is a risky thing to do near the ground as if you need to use the bang seat.......
Bright-ling - we must have posted simultaneously!
Bright-ling - we must have posted simultaneously!
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brightling - I am not averse to the odd bit of manipulation for cosmetic purposes, but none has been carried out here. Here's the complete sequence. If you want the originals straight off the camera, do let me know, but be warned they are 3072x2048 in size and around 2-3Mb each.
His previous two approaches for touch and go's used flap and had canopy closed; he landed from this flapless one.
His previous two approaches for touch and go's used flap and had canopy closed; he landed from this flapless one.
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I still don't fancy it.
The sequence of shots shows the truck replaced by a car when the a/c has only travelled a few feet. What does a JP land at (flapless)? If (and I guess) it is 80 knots, then the truck must be doing 150.
Call me Mr. Sceptic but....
The sequence of shots shows the truck replaced by a car when the a/c has only travelled a few feet. What does a JP land at (flapless)? If (and I guess) it is 80 knots, then the truck must be doing 150.
Call me Mr. Sceptic but....
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if you look at the second-to-last pic you can see the shadow of the truck
hmmm, ... if he's doing a flapless landing, that means his approach speed is higher. To compensate, he must fly a lower approach path (depending on runway length, which i have no clue of).
hmmm, ... if he's doing a flapless landing, that means his approach speed is higher. To compensate, he must fly a lower approach path (depending on runway length, which i have no clue of).
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.... depending on runway length, which I have not got a clue of
So, how long a runway does a JP need?
(A) with full flap
(B) flapless
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From: Too close to Croydon for comfort
All the photos look perfectly natural to me. A good sequence, wish I could do as well with my digi. What camera have you got Damien, go on, make me jealous!
Cloud formations change because the aircraft is photographed across several hundred yards of its approach.
Also, if that's the hedge he's over at one point, not a lot of clearance!
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Cloud formations change because the aircraft is photographed across several hundred yards of its approach.
Also, if that's the hedge he's over at one point, not a lot of clearance!
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The first photo (at least) is clearly a fake. The most obvious aspect of the fake is the clarity of the aircraft's registration, by comparison to the numberplate and other lettering on the lorry.
The relative scale is also incorrect. The JP is not a particularly large aircraft. For it to be behind the lorry, and still that size, the lorry would need to have shrunk.
The lighting of the JP and the background is also somewhat at odds.
The relative scale is also incorrect. The JP is not a particularly large aircraft. For it to be behind the lorry, and still that size, the lorry would need to have shrunk.
The lighting of the JP and the background is also somewhat at odds.