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Old 31st Dec 2017, 16:55
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Our Embraer Sim at work is a full motion 4 axis sim. Absolutely state of the art. I hate it. It has no depth perception and it turns on the ground by yawing which makes me airsick.

It’s a great tool for our required currency testing but I could think of nothing worse than flying for fun.
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 12:13
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Originally Posted by Heston
Sims on the pc are a game. They are for entertainment, end of story.
Funny, when i was learning the G1000 glass cockpit i was provided with a PC based sim of the system to study. Garmin clearly think PC sims have some value. God knows how many hours that saved me in the real aircraft...
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 12:31
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How sad that so many instructors seem to think that the lower the number of hours required to pass a skills test, is in some way equal to the quality of the pilot capabilities being endowed.

When there are so many different types of flying, how can the use of a PC based sim, of which there are varying levels, be so black and white? Should the RAF stop using PC based sims, despite the results showing how much they help the students?

Hang gliders, Flexwing Microlights and LSA to C172 and PA28 are all used as the first aircraft that a student flies. We can't really say that one is right, and therefore the others are wrong.

I can't see how a one size fits all type of rule can be appropriate. This really smacks of four legs good, two legs bad.
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 15:42
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Originally Posted by airpolice
How sad that so many instructors seem to think that the lower the number of hours required to pass a skills test, is in some way equal to the quality of the pilot capabilities being endowed.

When there are so many different types of flying, how can the use of a PC based sim, of which there are varying levels, be so black and white? Should the RAF stop using PC based sims, despite the results showing how much they help the students?

Hang gliders, Flexwing Microlights and LSA to C172 and PA28 are all used as the first aircraft that a student flies. We can't really say that one is right, and therefore the others are wrong.

I can't see how a one size fits all type of rule can be appropriate. This really smacks of four legs good, two legs bad.
Let me break this down so you can understand it......

Hours are being paid for by the student and they for some reason expect to pass the course in as close to minimum hours as possible. Experience has shown VERY extensively that those teaching themselves to fly on a PC simulator take much longer to pass than those who adopt the standard process. This is because the simmers arrive with pre conceived ideas gained from sim flying on how the aircraft should fly. There are no PC sims that replicate a light GA trainer.

Next, you are wrong on the RAF. They do not use PC simulators for training. I am a QFI on 45Sqn and can assure you that flight training is done in the aircraft and that when they do move to the sim it is for procedure training and nothing to do with basic flight training. Even the G1000 simulators are real G1000 units not PC simulators.

Where simulators really come into their own is for IFR procedures and advanced type training. They do not provide any useful experience at ab initio level. Thats an opinion formed on several thousand hours of teaching and examining.
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 16:00
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Originally Posted by airpolice
How sad that so many instructors seem to think that the lower the number of hours required to pass a skills test, is in some way equal to the quality of the pilot capabilities being endowed.

When there are so many different types of flying, how can the use of a PC based sim, of which there are varying levels, be so black and white? Should the RAF stop using PC based sims, despite the results showing how much they help the students?

Hang gliders, Flexwing Microlights and LSA to C172 and PA28 are all used as the first aircraft that a student flies. We can't really say that one is right, and therefore the others are wrong.

I can't see how a one size fits all type of rule can be appropriate. This really smacks of four legs good, two legs bad.
I assume from this that you are not an instructor. Why not become one and you can see for yourself. Sims are great procedural trainers but for the ab initio, they just don’t have a place.
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