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Old 6th Dec 2017, 07:32
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Well okay then, 20 planes. Notam REQUIRED, or just good 'airmanship'?

And, where is this explained?

I'm intrigued by the apparent lack of regulation - you'd have thought there would be something out there explaining when you should/must request a NOTAM request. If there isn't, then there must be a zillion kites and balloons that are never put on a NOTAM as how is Joe Public supposed to know if even we don't...
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Have you read the bit under "Notam News" on the AIS website?
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No, do you have a link?

Google didn't produce the answer!
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How about this?
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Great, thanks.

Still doesn't answer the 60m figure that's been mentioned?

The one that COULD be pertinent to one of our events is:

Presence of hazards which affect air navigation (e.g. obstacles, exercises, displays, races and major parachuting events outside promulgated sites);

Though given that we're neither doing displays or races?

The 'when not to issue' then gives conflicting advice about "if temporary" - something of an oxymoron given that pretty much the whole point of NOTAMs is that they are for temporary things.
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Just trying to be logical here and probably making assumptions. But wouldn't a Notam be required (legally?) for any proposed clearances to airspace by an ATC unit not normally requiring it, ie: danger area's with notamed prohibited airspace, RAT's, or just that a gunnery range is firing into the stratosphere so keep the MK1 looking out, etc.

And a Notam is also just that, a Notice to Airmen to advise of certain events that could surprise a pilot not expecting to be surrounded by chinese lanterns/ballons/many aircraft/gliders etc. But not a legal requirement?
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Originally Posted by Sam Rutherford
The 'when not to issue' then gives conflicting advice about "if temporary" - something of an oxymoron given that pretty much the whole point of NOTAMs is that they are for temporary things.
Permanent changes to the AIP are made by Permanent Notam too.
Have you read ENR 1.1-26, paragraph 4.3 of the AIP, there may be some relevant information there.
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 15:08
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Permanent - until the AIP is changed, then the NOTAM is removed. I should have phrased it better, thanks.

ENR 1.1-26, paragraph 4.3 of the AIP is about aerodrome licencing. For our event (and balloon releases etc.) it's not relevant as it doesn't involve public transport or flight training.
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 17:39
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Sam;

I run a fly in every year in what is effectively a private garden. We get up to 200 aircraft over two days. I always notam it and every year a few pilots give the notam a thorough ignoring, including a JP from North Weald who did aerobatics training overhead with a display about to start. A parachute aircraft who flew through the area 11 times on one day, and any number of C172, PA28 etc who just fly through oblivious to what is around them. FR 24 is handy for those.

You don’t have to file a notam, but if something goes wrong you have made best efforts to protect everybody.

PM me if you want to chat and I’ll take you through what I do.

SND
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 22:44
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Kite flying above 60m

The public might find out from the Kite Society website - thekitesociety.org.uk/KiteRules.html

The information is also on the CAA website - caa.co.uk/General-aviation/Displays,-events-and-activities/Kites/
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Originally Posted by n5296s
Seriously? In the UK? I'd have thought you'd be doing pretty well to get 20. MAYBE Oshkosh and Sun'n'Fun get this kind of number, but I'm pretty sure nothing else does. Even in the US - with a much higher pilot density - a normal local fly in might get 20 or 30 aircraft.
The PFA rally of old often got over 1000 planes in a weekend- I know because I volunteered in the booking in tent.

The LAA rally is again approaching that figure but, of course, has a very detailed associated NOTAM and RA(T).
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Originally Posted by Sir Niall Dementia
Sam;

I run a fly in every year in what is effectively a private garden. We get up to 200 aircraft over two days. I always notam it and every year a few pilots give the notam a thorough ignoring, including a JP from North Weald who did aerobatics training overhead with a display about to start. A parachute aircraft who flew through the area 11 times on one day, and any number of C172, PA28 etc who just fly through oblivious to what is around them. FR 24 is handy for those.

You don’t have to file a notam, but if something goes wrong you have made best efforts to protect everybody.

PM me if you want to chat and I’ll take you through what I do.

SND

Will do, thank you!
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