Flying to EGKB
Thread Starter
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
From: Earth
Flying to EGKB
Dear all,
Next week I'm flying on an IFR flight plan from LFQQ to EGKB. What should I expect when handed over from French ATC? I think, descending I'm going to leave CAS and will get some kind of ATSOCAS. But what service will provide vectors to get established on the ILS of EGKB?
Thanks for any advice and BTRGDS
Ralph
Next week I'm flying on an IFR flight plan from LFQQ to EGKB. What should I expect when handed over from French ATC? I think, descending I'm going to leave CAS and will get some kind of ATSOCAS. But what service will provide vectors to get established on the ILS of EGKB?
Thanks for any advice and BTRGDS
Ralph
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 36
Likes: 0
From: Non local
You'd be handed over to London Control --> Thames Radar--> Biggin Approach. You'll have whatever service you want, TS or DS.
You'll be given descents down to altitude 1800', vectored to intercept the localiser RWY 21 (for eg), contact BIG APP 129.4 --> Cleared to descend with the Glide --> Land
You'll be given descents down to altitude 1800', vectored to intercept the localiser RWY 21 (for eg), contact BIG APP 129.4 --> Cleared to descend with the Glide --> Land
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 442
Likes: 0
From: London
It is really straight forward. Thames Radar will give you vectors to the ILS. I would however note that they charge £50+ for an ILS approach, in addition to landing fees if the weather is above 5km vis / clouds higher than 1000' QFE. If weather requires you to have an instrument approach however, it is free!
That would sway my thoughts re: VFR or IFR arrival - but you may also get IFR delays in the London TMA whilst they get you over to Thames.... Just be prepared for that!
In the U.K. You could fly IFR OCAS and talk for Farnborough Radar for a deconfliction or traffic service, and bypass the delays, they will generally hand you over to Thames if you ask them to in good time.
Hope this helps!
That would sway my thoughts re: VFR or IFR arrival - but you may also get IFR delays in the London TMA whilst they get you over to Thames.... Just be prepared for that!
In the U.K. You could fly IFR OCAS and talk for Farnborough Radar for a deconfliction or traffic service, and bypass the delays, they will generally hand you over to Thames if you ask them to in good time.
Hope this helps!
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 60
Likes: 0
From: Cambridge
If you're coming in on a proper IFR flight plan I don't believe (though obviously don't take my word for it, worth checking with Bigging) they charge extra for an approach, I think that's only if you're coming in OCAS and decide to do one as they consider that training etc...
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 442
Likes: 0
From: London
They only allow training ILS for based aircraft if MTOW is less than 3T.
Double check - but as a based aircraft, having booked in IFR with an IFR flight plan - they still charged me £50!!
Double check - but as a based aircraft, having booked in IFR with an IFR flight plan - they still charged me £50!!
Last edited by alex90; 22nd August 2017 at 11:19.
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 918
Likes: 2
From: Cambridge
I hope nobody in Biggin Hill accounts is reading this 
but I'm not based there although I visit regularly. In the 194 landings there in my log book to date (SR22) I have never been charged extra for the ILS that I always fly. Certainly never £50 for a landing.
but I'm not based there although I visit regularly. In the 194 landings there in my log book to date (SR22) I have never been charged extra for the ILS that I always fly. Certainly never £50 for a landing.
Greetings from DFOY
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,807
Likes: 10
From: Ansião (PT)
There's always those poor blighters who think they're clever if they use codes nobody else understands. Also, I seem to understand some UK'ers are careful to limit keyboard ageing by typing as little as ever necessary. Perhaps keyboards are very expensive in UK? Brexit side-effect?
Then again, Lille can translate to LFQQ but also to LFQO - a bit of care can do a lot of good ...
Then again, Lille can translate to LFQQ but also to LFQO - a bit of care can do a lot of good ...
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,443
Likes: 1
From: Cambridge, England, EU
Decent ones probably are, if you can get them at all - I've only seen utterly crap ones for a long time now.
The best keyboard is a genuine 1980s IBM one. Sadly I don't have one of those; this is being typed on the second best keyboard, a genuine 1990s Cherry one.
The best keyboard is a genuine 1980s IBM one. Sadly I don't have one of those; this is being typed on the second best keyboard, a genuine 1990s Cherry one.
Thread Starter
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
From: Earth
Thanks
Thanks for all the helpful input. The trip was really straight forward. London Control, Thames Radar and Biggin App with continuous descent whilst being vectored to the ILS. Service at Biggin Hill absolutely amazing, I have never seen that before. No extra fee for the ILS. Departure via DVR 2 and continually climbing into CAS without any delay, RS by Thames Radar all the time.
Once again everyone thank you so much.
Once again everyone thank you so much.
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,807
Likes: 10
From: Ansião (PT)
Thanks for reporting! Many ask for advice, and usually get some; but not all come back to tell us what it was worth.
PS: and impeccable wording and spelling, too - wonderful! I bet you're not a native Brit!
PS: and impeccable wording and spelling, too - wonderful! I bet you're not a native Brit!
