Keeping a LAPL current
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Keeping a LAPL current
The CAA website states:
"The privileges of your licence will only remain valid if you have completed, in the last 24 months, as pilot of an aeroplane or TMG:
At least 12 hours flight time as PIC, including 12 take-offs and landings; and
Refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with an instructor."
How exactly is the "in last 24 months" interpreted and where can I confirm this?
"The privileges of your licence will only remain valid if you have completed, in the last 24 months, as pilot of an aeroplane or TMG:
At least 12 hours flight time as PIC, including 12 take-offs and landings; and
Refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with an instructor."
How exactly is the "in last 24 months" interpreted and where can I confirm this?
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This is from a letter from the CAA Licencing HQ to me today - might be useful ?
mike hallam.
I am assuming (given the information you provide on your licence and the type of aircraft you fly) that we are talking about a UK PPL with an SEP rating attached to it? Assuming that is the case, the short answer to your question is that you still need to meet the revalidation requirements for the SEP rating. These are now located in the first entry of Table 1, Chapter 1, Part 3 to Schedule 8 of the ANO 2016. These are the same requirements (incorporated by reference into the ANO) as set out in FCL.740.A (b)(1) of the EASA Aircrew Regulation for an SEP rating attached to an EASA licence:
(b) Revalidation of single-pilot single-engine class ratings.
(1) Single-engine piston aeroplane class ratings and TMG ratings. For revalidation of single pilot
single-engine piston aeroplane class ratings or TMG class ratings the applicant shall:
(i) within the 3 months preceding the expiry date of the rating, pass a proficiency
check in the relevant class in accordance with Appendix 9 to this Part with an
examiner; or
(ii) within the 12 months preceding the expiry date of the rating, complete 12 hours
of flight time in the relevant class, including:
— 6 hours as PIC,
— 12 take-offs and 12 landings, and
— refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with a flight instructor (FI)
or a class rating instructor (CRI). Applicants shall be exempted from this refresher
training if they have passed a class or type rating proficiency check, skill test or
assessment of competence in any other class or type of aeroplane.
mike hallam.
I am assuming (given the information you provide on your licence and the type of aircraft you fly) that we are talking about a UK PPL with an SEP rating attached to it? Assuming that is the case, the short answer to your question is that you still need to meet the revalidation requirements for the SEP rating. These are now located in the first entry of Table 1, Chapter 1, Part 3 to Schedule 8 of the ANO 2016. These are the same requirements (incorporated by reference into the ANO) as set out in FCL.740.A (b)(1) of the EASA Aircrew Regulation for an SEP rating attached to an EASA licence:
(b) Revalidation of single-pilot single-engine class ratings.
(1) Single-engine piston aeroplane class ratings and TMG ratings. For revalidation of single pilot
single-engine piston aeroplane class ratings or TMG class ratings the applicant shall:
(i) within the 3 months preceding the expiry date of the rating, pass a proficiency
check in the relevant class in accordance with Appendix 9 to this Part with an
examiner; or
(ii) within the 12 months preceding the expiry date of the rating, complete 12 hours
of flight time in the relevant class, including:
— 6 hours as PIC,
— 12 take-offs and 12 landings, and
— refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with a flight instructor (FI)
or a class rating instructor (CRI). Applicants shall be exempted from this refresher
training if they have passed a class or type rating proficiency check, skill test or
assessment of competence in any other class or type of aeroplane.
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This is from a letter from the CAA Licencing HQ to me today - might be useful ?
mike hallam.
I am assuming (given the information you provide on your licence and the type of aircraft you fly) that we are talking about a UK PPL with an SEP rating attached to it? Assuming that is the case, the short answer to your question is that you still need to meet the revalidation requirements for the SEP rating. These are now located in the first entry of Table 1, Chapter 1, Part 3 to Schedule 8 of the ANO 2016. These are the same requirements (incorporated by reference into the ANO) as set out in FCL.740.A (b)(1) of the EASA Aircrew Regulation for an SEP rating attached to an EASA licence:
(b) Revalidation of single-pilot single-engine class ratings.
(1) Single-engine piston aeroplane class ratings and TMG ratings. For revalidation of single pilot
single-engine piston aeroplane class ratings or TMG class ratings the applicant shall:
(i) within the 3 months preceding the expiry date of the rating, pass a proficiency
check in the relevant class in accordance with Appendix 9 to this Part with an
examiner; or
(ii) within the 12 months preceding the expiry date of the rating, complete 12 hours
of flight time in the relevant class, including:
— 6 hours as PIC,
— 12 take-offs and 12 landings, and
— refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with a flight instructor (FI)
or a class rating instructor (CRI). Applicants shall be exempted from this refresher
training if they have passed a class or type rating proficiency check, skill test or
assessment of competence in any other class or type of aeroplane.
mike hallam.
I am assuming (given the information you provide on your licence and the type of aircraft you fly) that we are talking about a UK PPL with an SEP rating attached to it? Assuming that is the case, the short answer to your question is that you still need to meet the revalidation requirements for the SEP rating. These are now located in the first entry of Table 1, Chapter 1, Part 3 to Schedule 8 of the ANO 2016. These are the same requirements (incorporated by reference into the ANO) as set out in FCL.740.A (b)(1) of the EASA Aircrew Regulation for an SEP rating attached to an EASA licence:
(b) Revalidation of single-pilot single-engine class ratings.
(1) Single-engine piston aeroplane class ratings and TMG ratings. For revalidation of single pilot
single-engine piston aeroplane class ratings or TMG class ratings the applicant shall:
(i) within the 3 months preceding the expiry date of the rating, pass a proficiency
check in the relevant class in accordance with Appendix 9 to this Part with an
examiner; or
(ii) within the 12 months preceding the expiry date of the rating, complete 12 hours
of flight time in the relevant class, including:
— 6 hours as PIC,
— 12 take-offs and 12 landings, and
— refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with a flight instructor (FI)
or a class rating instructor (CRI). Applicants shall be exempted from this refresher
training if they have passed a class or type rating proficiency check, skill test or
assessment of competence in any other class or type of aeroplane.
Guess I will have to continue trawling through vast EASA documents!
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LAPL recency requirements are very different from EASA/CAA SEP rating revalidation requirements.
How many different ways are there to interpret '24 months'? Every day that you wish to go flying you should be able to look back through your logbook & find enough flights to satisfy the 12 hours pic, 12 take-offs & landings & 1 hr refresher training with an EASA FI. If, on the day that you wish to fly, you cannot find enough flights within the previous 24 calendar months to satisfy the requirements you will have to:
How many different ways are there to interpret '24 months'? Every day that you wish to go flying you should be able to look back through your logbook & find enough flights to satisfy the 12 hours pic, 12 take-offs & landings & 1 hr refresher training with an EASA FI. If, on the day that you wish to fly, you cannot find enough flights within the previous 24 calendar months to satisfy the requirements you will have to:
(1) undertake a proficiency check with an examiner before they resume the exercise of the privileges of their licence; or
(2) perform the additional flight time or take-offs and landings, flying dual or solo under the supervision of an instructor, in order to fulfil the requirements in (a).
(2) perform the additional flight time or take-offs and landings, flying dual or solo under the supervision of an instructor, in order to fulfil the requirements in (a).
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Ah but today is 23rd March 2017. Am I legal if the hour with the instructor was on 23/3/15 or does it need to be at least on 24/3/15?
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The answer is don't leave it so long before a flight with instructor is required.
A year is 1 Jan to 31 Dec so 12 months would be the same and so would 24 months.
24 months back from today - 23/03 - would be 24/03
A year is 1 Jan to 31 Dec so 12 months would be the same and so would 24 months.
24 months back from today - 23/03 - would be 24/03
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Your interpretation would be mine too but do you have a written source?
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if a LAPL holder does
"(1) undertake a proficiency check with an examiner before they resume the exercise of the privileges of their licence;"
Does that reset the 24 month clock, or do they still have to meet the hours and take off & landing requirements?
eg. A LAPL holder not flown for two years. He or she then passes a Proficiency check. The following day said LAPL holder wants to go flying. What then?
"(1) undertake a proficiency check with an examiner before they resume the exercise of the privileges of their licence;"
Does that reset the 24 month clock, or do they still have to meet the hours and take off & landing requirements?
eg. A LAPL holder not flown for two years. He or she then passes a Proficiency check. The following day said LAPL holder wants to go flying. What then?
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If you do not meet these requirements you will need to:
1 Complete a proficiency check with an examiner before you exercise the privileges of the licence; or
2 Complete the additional flight time or take-offs and landings to meet the requirements above, flying dual or solo, under the supervision of an instructor.
To me it would seem to be one or the other means good to go.
1 Complete a proficiency check with an examiner before you exercise the privileges of the licence; or
2 Complete the additional flight time or take-offs and landings to meet the requirements above, flying dual or solo, under the supervision of an instructor.
To me it would seem to be one or the other means good to go.
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The way I've always read it.
My ssea rating expires on 31 June of odd numbered years, 11--13--15--17 etc.
Counting the hours flown from July first 15 to June 31-17 needs to be at least 12 plus 1 hour with an instructor. The hour with the instructor can be anywhere within the same 24 months. Theoretically 2 July 15 would do.
If these hours and instruction criteria are met then the rating is renewed on its rolling anniversary.
If I do not meet the criteria I would need a proficiency test from an examiner, the date of that test would then reset the new anniversary date for renewal.
With the hours reset to zero.
I can then fly from that date legally for 24 months, or I can fly legally the next day, then not at all until the day before the anniversary, take the hour instruction and fly for 12 hours that day and be legal to continue for another 24 months.
My ssea rating expires on 31 June of odd numbered years, 11--13--15--17 etc.
Counting the hours flown from July first 15 to June 31-17 needs to be at least 12 plus 1 hour with an instructor. The hour with the instructor can be anywhere within the same 24 months. Theoretically 2 July 15 would do.
If these hours and instruction criteria are met then the rating is renewed on its rolling anniversary.
If I do not meet the criteria I would need a proficiency test from an examiner, the date of that test would then reset the new anniversary date for renewal.
With the hours reset to zero.
I can then fly from that date legally for 24 months, or I can fly legally the next day, then not at all until the day before the anniversary, take the hour instruction and fly for 12 hours that day and be legal to continue for another 24 months.
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As the requirement is currently written...
...if you don't meet the requirements of (a) then you must comply with (b) before next exercising the privileges of the licence, even if, as in Phororhacos's example, you have previously done so.
NPA 2014/29 includes the following revised wording to resolve the issue but is still languishing in the depths of the bureaucracy:
FCL.140.A LAPL(A) — Recency requirements
(a) Holders of an LAPL(A) shall only exercise the privileges of their licence when they have completed, in the last 24 months, as pilots of aeroplanes or TMG:
(1) at least 12 hours of flight time as PIC, including 12 take-offs and landings; and
(2) refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with an instructor.
(b) Holders of an LAPL(A) who do not comply with the requirements in (a) shall:
(1) undertake a proficiency check with an examiner before they resume the exercise of the privileges of their licence; or
perform the additional flight time or take-offs and landings, flying dual or solo under the supervision of an instructor, in order to fulfil the requirements in (a).
(a) Holders of an LAPL(A) shall only exercise the privileges of their licence when they have completed, in the last 24 months, as pilots of aeroplanes or TMG:
(1) at least 12 hours of flight time as PIC, including 12 take-offs and landings; and
(2) refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with an instructor.
(b) Holders of an LAPL(A) who do not comply with the requirements in (a) shall:
(1) undertake a proficiency check with an examiner before they resume the exercise of the privileges of their licence; or
perform the additional flight time or take-offs and landings, flying dual or solo under the supervision of an instructor, in order to fulfil the requirements in (a).
NPA 2014/29 includes the following revised wording to resolve the issue but is still languishing in the depths of the bureaucracy:
Holders of an LAPL(A) shall only exercise the privileges of their licence when they have in the last 2 years, as pilots of aeroplanes or TMGs:
(1) completed at least 12 hours of flight time as PIC or flying dual or solo under the supervision of an instructor, including 12 take-offs and landings and refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with an instructor.; or
(2) passed an LAPL(A) proficiency check with an examiner. The check programme shall be based on the skill test for the LAPL(A).
(1) completed at least 12 hours of flight time as PIC or flying dual or solo under the supervision of an instructor, including 12 take-offs and landings and refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with an instructor.; or
(2) passed an LAPL(A) proficiency check with an examiner. The check programme shall be based on the skill test for the LAPL(A).
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2 Complete the additional flight time or take-offs and landings to meet the requirements above, flying dual or solo, under the supervision of an instructor.
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Thanks for all the input.
Although I am still not exactly sure how "in last 24 months" is interpreted, I think I have solved the problem by planning to do at least 10 minutes with an instructor at a local hard runway tomorrow. (My last hour or more with an instructor was 25/3/15 but I also did 50 minutes on 26/10/15. I have almost 200 hours PIC in last 24 months).
Although I am still not exactly sure how "in last 24 months" is interpreted, I think I have solved the problem by planning to do at least 10 minutes with an instructor at a local hard runway tomorrow. (My last hour or more with an instructor was 25/3/15 but I also did 50 minutes on 26/10/15. I have almost 200 hours PIC in last 24 months).
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The easiest way to work out what flying can be included is to take the date you plan to fly, then add 1 to the days then subtract 1 or 2 from the years. So to fly legally today 24/03/2017 all flying can be included from 25/03/2015 or 2016 depending on 12 or 24 month window. On legal documents it always states a year and a day so thing happen on the same date every year.
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(2) refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with an instructor.