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Old 28th Nov 2016, 20:33
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Yes, it's $60,000.00. Fuel extra - calculated @ 4 Euro litre, which probably equates to another $20,000.00 . arriving @ Katamarino's $80K

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Old 28th Nov 2016, 20:52
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“Maurice's general intelligence is rated as being in the Superior range, placing him in the top 1% of the population.”
Being clever and doing something stupid are not mutually exclusive.
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Old 28th Nov 2016, 23:28
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I have just found a post on Maurice's F'book. Unsure if it joins a few more dots.


Maurice Kirk
19 November ·

WHO HELPED PREVENT COMPULSORY GERMAN IN EGYPTION SCHOOL?

Sam, rude to who? your lovely Greek liason chap Lino is yet to grasp the insults I and other English boys on this jaunt have received at Marsa HEMM re fuel costs at $4 a litre and my UK currency being refused for only US Trump stuff, a nation always late for a War or starting on knee jerk stupidity unnecessarily.. etc......I think a little history needs to be recited to young Lino on his way in life and please copy this into his email

Not that it is this generation's responsibility but it was only Belgium that caused us to have to fight the 1st World War.......but, again., that was not the majority's fault or aviator Stampe's fault

Lino did no conscription I suspect but I have urged him to go travel, alone in stead, to absorb the every thing around him at a quicker pace than in a gaggle of people usually on one language foreign to the country they are in

My plans after Marsa horror was resort to my original route to fly via West Africa but it is too late now.,,I will stick with you having paid.and can get no money back

Do you wish me to be rude to you only re promises, promises, a wasted day in Shoreham to wings off etc to London to listen to some pongo, causing me to walk out,waxing eloquent over state helicopter secrets over a dinner table of deliciously flowing champaigne to a bunch of 'who knows what' all of which made me unnecessarily one week behind the rally schedule?.... just ask

If I enter Sudan tomorrow is the visa sorted...? I have great sympathy, dont forget, for your head ACHES, caused by the time consuming stragglers!

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He states that his plan was to fly the west coast down to the Cape.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 04:50
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Originally Posted by Jetblu View Post
I have just found a post on Maurice's F'book. Unsure if it joins a few more dots.


Maurice Kirk
19 November ·

WHO HELPED PREVENT COMPULSORY GERMAN IN EGYPTION SCHOOL?

Sam, rude to who? your lovely Greek liason chap Lino is yet to grasp the insults I and other English boys on this jaunt have received at Marsa HEMM re fuel costs at $4 a litre and my UK currency being refused for only US Trump stuff, a nation always late for a War or starting on knee jerk stupidity unnecessarily.. etc......I think a little history needs to be recited to young Lino on his way in life and please copy this into his email

Not that it is this generation's responsibility but it was only Belgium that caused us to have to fight the 1st World War.......but, again., that was not the majority's fault or aviator Stampe's fault

Lino did no conscription I suspect but I have urged him to go travel, alone in stead, to absorb the every thing around him at a quicker pace than in a gaggle of people usually on one language foreign to the country they are in

My plans after Marsa horror was resort to my original route to fly via West Africa but it is too late now.,,I will stick with you having paid.and can get no money back

Do you wish me to be rude to you only re promises, promises, a wasted day in Shoreham to wings off etc to London to listen to some pongo, causing me to walk out,waxing eloquent over state helicopter secrets over a dinner table of deliciously flowing champaigne to a bunch of 'who knows what' all of which made me unnecessarily one week behind the rally schedule?.... just ask

If I enter Sudan tomorrow is the visa sorted...? I have great sympathy, dont forget, for your head ACHES, caused by the time consuming stragglers!

bluish skies



He states that his plan was to fly the west coast down to the Cape.
He obviously doesn't like Sam Rutherford which is a great shame, because they have all paid a lot to go on the trip which he is leading, and if it's not meeting their expectations then trouble will result.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 07:45
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Jetblu,

OK, I'll bite. What...?
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 09:05
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He states that his plan was to fly the west coast down to the Cape.
Crete to Egypt to West Africa. Sounds ambitious and also makes me wonder why pay all that money for joining the Rally if you weren't using their route and support.

Still, when he finally turns up again on FB we'll learn more
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 12:58
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"He obviously doesn't like Sam Rutherford which is a great shame, because they have all paid a lot to go on the trip which he is leading, and if it's not meeting their expectations then trouble will result."

I think by saying 'don't like' is pushing it a little. Sam and Maurice are two different types of characters. I understand that Sam has a military background. Never in one million years could Maurice be institutionalised or accept orders in a military style. [I'm laughing as I type this just imagining it]

I have no idea what expectations they had of one another but from what I can tell Sam seems a pretty decent guy too so I suspect he will give Maurice a pro-rata of his money back.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 12:59
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Jetblu, my $80k came from the additional $20k for a second person (many of the aircraft have two crew). As you say, fuel and a number of other things are extra on top of that.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 13:07
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Understood
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 13:42
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I have no idea what expectations they had of one another but from what I can tell Sam seems a pretty decent guy too so I suspect he will give Maurice a pro-rata of his money back.
From MK's FB

My plans after Marsa horror was resort to my original route to fly via West Africa but it is too late now.,,I will stick with you having paid.and can get no money back
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 13:55
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Yes, I saw that Robin.

My understanding of that is 'I can't throw the towel in otherwise I can't get my money back.'

We have since heard that Maurice was asked to leave, so....

It would be a very lucrative business to ask people to leave 10% into the rally and keep the money, wouldn't it. I suspect Sam will do the decent thing.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 14:48
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Well if Sam doesn't refund him, I'm sure MK will litigate as it is what he does, but sadly Sam probably will use a lawyer!
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 14:53
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Not quite sure what the terms and conditions are but it is clear the Rally organisers took the view that Maurice should, for his own safety, turn round and go home. They said that they would support him as far as Kenya after which point he was on his own.

I agree that if that was the case he would be due a proportion of his entrance fee.

Mind you, the publicity the Rally has received is quite amazing. Perhaps he should claim a fee for that....
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 16:28
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Never in one million years could Maurice be institutionalised or accept orders in a military style.
Maurice was either an RAF Officer or was in the university air squadron (of its day). I think he had a Flying Officer rank.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 17:06
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Trained as a vet, and not institutionalised? Really?
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 20:30
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Robin when they said he should turn around and go home did they mean in the aircraft or schedule ?
Surely for his safety would not have been in the aircraft backtracking a considerable distance with no one supervising him?
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 20:57
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The VintageAirRally committee announces with regret that Maurice Kirk has had to withdraw from the Rally. This decision was taken due to a mismatch in expectations between the organisers and the participant.

We wish Maurice a safe return to Khartoum and onwards back home.
They certainly expected him to return on his own

He is no longer part of the rally, but we have of course been helping him with everything (fuel, accommodation, oil, permits, flight plans etc. etc.) until Kenya.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 21:21
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PR speak for he is a very naughty boy who refuses to play by the rules.

However they wish him well knowing he is up to his old tricks and will surface in Cape Town.

I suspect he is on a mission to get there first.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 21:24
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Without a doubt
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 23:29
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Should there be anyone out there daft enough to have supportive feelings about this imbecile I'd ask them this;

If you had organised a flying rally from UK to Cape Town (or wherever) and some prick turned up with criminal convictions up the ying-yang, endless convictions for dangerous or illegal flying, a flying reputation as a lawless and barely competent lunatic, been busted as a vet for grotesquely unprofessional behaviour and generally led a life of in yer face confrontation with all decent society would you want him in your rally?

The hell you would.

The man is an utter embarrassment to the UK and a disgrace to aviation, veterinary surgery and to himself. The rally is well shot of this idiot.

Lets treat him as the irresponsible idiot he is, shall we, and not make a "personality"out of him for his mindless lawlessness. That is NOT impressive.

He is an utter disgrace to aviation.
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