Who is responsible for supplying the PLB?

[BigEndBob]

So have there been occasions when a plb or elt over land has been used to find someone in UK land space.
Minute I do PFL's the locals are on the phone .
If I crash and die the plb won't be going off, if I survive, probably use my phone.

Perhaps we can skip the club annual payment to the CAA and do some thing more useful with the money.

[sharpend]

My Fast Find PLB is registered to an aircraft. The reason being is to notify SAR what they are looking for. I think registration to an aircraft is mandatory. After that driver on the A9 went off the road and lay in the bushes for days, I considered taking my PLB in the car... but then D&D would look for my aeroplane and miss my car in the ditch!

BigEndBob, don't rely on your phone, you may not get a signal.

[S-Works]

My plb is registered to me. I take it on motocross trips in the mountains as well as in the aircraft. Along with kayak trips, walking etc.

[GBEBZ]

I recently registered a replacement PLB with the UK Distress & Security Beacon Registry (as is the law) and got this reply after about 3 months from application (bold mine):

Good afternoon

I do apologise for the long delay, due to changing computing systems, low staffing levels and an unprecedented level of registrations and enquiries. Please find attached a copy of the database entry for your beacon as input today, please check that this input is correct or email back any amendments.

We are entering registrations as quickly as possible but we have a current backlog, as such, the administrative side of returning confirmation and labels is also taking considerably longer at several months, as data input is given operational priority. Therefore until these are received, please treat the attached as "proof of registration". The labels show the beacon Hex Id: 9D...or 1D....., etc as well as the 24 hour contact telephone number for Falmouth Coastguard, who have full access to our database and are located in the same building as the Registry. Their no is: [phone], you may wish to note this down should you need to contact them in an emergency.

Regards, Linda
UK Distress & Security Beacon Registry
T: 01326 211569
F: 01326 319264
E: [email protected] or [email protected]

I dont think they would cope with every pilot buying a PLB or every airplane installing an ELT in the next year...

[TheOddOne]

Well, to tackle the thread drift and get back to the OP's question...

As far as I'm concerned, it is the commander's responsibility to ensure that the aircraft is airworthy and compliant with all current rules and regulations, including all the required equipment. As a club, though, I think it's our responsibility to ensure as far as we can that our aircraft when rented to fellow club members has all relevant and required equipment made available. A PLB is now (or on 25th inst) in the same category as the afore-mentioned fire extinguisher and first aid kit.

TOO

[TheOddOne]

I dont think they would cope with every pilot buying a PLB or every airplane installing an ELT in the next year...

Well, I'm still waiting for registration details for the PLB I bought some months ago, outwith the change in the regulations. However, in the e-mail telling me about the backlog in registrations, it did emphasise that if the PLB was activated, emergency action would be taken anyway, so maybe registration to an individual or a vessel (boat, car, aircraft or whatever) isn't so vital. I'd hope that a nice shiny new red and white S92 would come looking for the PLB no matter who had it with them at the time.

TOO.

[flybymike]

This regulation is going to amount to very good business for the PLB manufacturers. I trust that EASA have negotiated a nice commission arrangement for themselves.

[GBEBZ]

The Civil Aviation Authority, in exercise of its powers under Article 242 of the Air Navigation
Order 2009 (‘the Order’), hereby exempts any aircraft registered in the United Kingdom, and
flying for purposes other than public transport, from the requirements of Article 37(2) of the
Order to carry the equipment specified at paragraph 5, Scale KK of Schedule 4 to the Order,
that is to say an emergency locator transmitter.

http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/...08ORS41183.pdf

[Level Attitude]

GBEBZ,
Many thanks for posting the link because, in my opinion (given the topic of this thread), the part you quoted appears very misleading;

You missed out:

3) This exemption has effect from the date it is signed until 25 August 2016, both dates inclusive, unless previously revoked

With the reason being:

Annexes VI (Part-NCC) and VII (Part-NCO) of the Air Operations Regulation, Commission Regulation (EU)No. 965/2012, come into force in the United Kingdom on 25 August 2016

[GBEBZ]

sorry, was not trying to mislead, im travelling and only have basic internet access over iPhone and only selected the one para. I maybe also for the same reasons never read the whole thing

[crablab]

The person in charge at the club I fly from still doesn't believe this is going to happen...!

I guess all the PLB prices will have hiked by now! The greatest issue with ELT's will be fitting them to leased aircraft as the lessor will be the one responsible for installing it and they tend to be tight with the beans...

EDIT:
It seems it is now very difficult to get hold of them now! Backordering this one is going to be no good...

[Mike Flynn]

I am old enough to remember when we had to remove these from imported US aircraft.

Most of these are available online for around £200. Better you have a personal one than another
in the sinking aircraft.

Plenty such as this on ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SPOT-3-Sat...8AAOxy4fVTDNF3

[crablab]

Originally Posted by Jay Sata

I am old enough to remember when we had to remove these from imported US aircraft.

Why did they have to be removed? That seems stupid!?

[atceng]

plb or not to be

At the risk of someone saying that if I cant work it out I am too thick to fly,could anyone help interpret the latest from the CAA in public apps docs/33 etc referred to by GBEBZ.
The revocation of the exemption from the derogation (is that right)and the apparent validity of only a few days from 8th Aug 2016 to 25 Aug 2016 has me totally baffled.

HELP!

[crablab]

Basically: you need either a PLB or an ELT that has been registered (I think that's what activates it...) in order to fly a UK registered aircraft in UK airspace from the 28th August.

[mabmac]

Originally Posted by Level Attitude

GBEBZ,
Many thanks for posting the link because, in my opinion (given the topic of this thread), the part you quoted appears very misleading;

You missed out:
With the reason being:

However this is followed by:

Notes:
1) Annexes VI (Part-NCC) and VII (Part-NCO) of the Air Operations Regulation, Commission Regulation (EU) No. 965/2012, come into force in the United Kingdom on 25 August 2016, so this exemption will cease to apply to aircraft registered in the United Kingdom that are required to operate in accordance with those Annexes as from that date.

2) The Air Navigation Order 2016 will no longer require aircraft registered in the United Kingdom and flying for purposes other than public transport to carry an emergency locator transmitter. The Air Navigation Order 2016 will come into force on 25 August 2016.

3) Aircraft flying for the purposes of commercial air transport must comply with the equipment requirements of Annex III of the Air Operations Regulation, so far as the carriage of an emergency locator transmitter is concerned.

Surely all this means that the current regulations and exemptions will be superseded on 25 August and replaced by the ANO in Note 2 which introduces a new exemption wef 25 August 2016?

[atceng]

ELT/PLB, clocks,docs, (socks?) etc

Thank you grablab, and apologies for minor thread drift but:-
Somewhere I found a list of equipment requirements for EASA NCO aircraft including first aid kits,clocks,extinguishers,docs PLB or ELT etc,but for the life of me and last night to 2 am I cant find it again.
Anyone know where I can find the list?

Sorry just read the latest,and that was my interpretation that a further EXEMPTION of requirements for ELT/PLB would be in force from 25 Aug 2016.
ie I don't need the PLB I just bought! and the foregoing posts re the requirement are incorrect!

[crablab]

Originally Posted by mabmac

Surely all this means that the current regulations and exemptions will be superseded on 25 August and replaced by the ANO in Note 2 which introduces a new exemption wef 25 August 2016?

So...we won't need to carry an ELT/PLB?

[atceng]

last minute

Typical of CAA to wait to announce this two weeks before the deadline,they may have shares in PLB suppliers.

Off to bed,not going to spend another ghoster trying to figure this out,'night all

[Mike Flynn]

Crablab asked

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Sata View Post
I am old enough to remember when we had to remove these from imported US aircraft.
Why did they have to be removed? That seems stupid!?

Red tape and gold plate regulations.