Tracey Curtis-Taylor (Merged threads)
Perhaps I'm a bit slow but there's one thing I cannot figure out and it's this, The same words or phrases keep popping up in various citations and articles about TCT.
Since these citations and articles are originate from different places I find it odd that there is such similarity to the wording. Wording like;
Is it because these awards/citations etc have been carefully curated by one person?
Since these citations and articles are originate from different places I find it odd that there is such similarity to the wording. Wording like;
Shortly after her return Tracey migrated to New Zealand and began flying in earnest. She gained her private pilot’s license, commercial license and an instructor rating, and unusual for a woman, was trained by military pilots to fly World War II airplanes with the New Zealand Warbird Association.
In tandem with her love of flying, an interest in geology, landscape and imagery led to Tracey pursuing another career in aerial photography and mapping, which was to hold her in good stead for her future flying pursuits.
In tandem with her love of flying, an interest in geology, landscape and imagery led to Tracey pursuing another career in aerial photography and mapping, which was to hold her in good stead for her future flying pursuits.
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If I may, with reference to the list of questions above.
I believe it is now imperative that the so-called "outreach" activities are put under the spotlight, because in the "duck & weave" mentality of the Bird in a Biplane, her acolytes, and the award-giving collective, these now justify their actions following the volte-face on her flying activities.
There is evidence of outreach type activity on her various IOT (internet of things) channels, but to put that in perspective, I have done WAY MORE tangible "outreach" than she has ACTUALLY EVIDENCED to date. And nothing I've done merits anything more than a well done and pat on the head. it's what decent folk do without any expectation of recognition.
Her desire to over-embellish her flying can be passed off to a degree to misguided enthusiasm - there is something distinctly smelly and dark about passing yourself off as a leader for the underprivileged and unfortunate, without solid, tangible and substantial evidence that supports your case.
Note the pathetic (I would use other language, but in the interests of the thread, I'll pass) oration above...
My Bold
To "name but few"...pardon me oh academic great ones...you didn't NAME ANY. And here's the thing if it's "structured" - your words - there will be records, accounts, thank you letters etc etc. These will be public documents (because they are charities and charities are accountable - in England, to the Charity Commission for example) so get out from under your Data Protection B/S.
So for my part another question should be
Please publish FULL details of your outreach programme including depth, commitment, duration and external sources/organisations that can be referenced
or something like that
I believe it is now imperative that the so-called "outreach" activities are put under the spotlight, because in the "duck & weave" mentality of the Bird in a Biplane, her acolytes, and the award-giving collective, these now justify their actions following the volte-face on her flying activities.
There is evidence of outreach type activity on her various IOT (internet of things) channels, but to put that in perspective, I have done WAY MORE tangible "outreach" than she has ACTUALLY EVIDENCED to date. And nothing I've done merits anything more than a well done and pat on the head. it's what decent folk do without any expectation of recognition.
Her desire to over-embellish her flying can be passed off to a degree to misguided enthusiasm - there is something distinctly smelly and dark about passing yourself off as a leader for the underprivileged and unfortunate, without solid, tangible and substantial evidence that supports your case.
Note the pathetic (I would use other language, but in the interests of the thread, I'll pass) oration above...
Alongside pursuing her interests in flying and adventures, Tracey and Bird in a Biplane Ltd are committed as part of their work to support a structured outreach programme to support related causes and organisations such as Services charities, education and young people, and women in aviation to name just a few.
To "name but few"...pardon me oh academic great ones...you didn't NAME ANY. And here's the thing if it's "structured" - your words - there will be records, accounts, thank you letters etc etc. These will be public documents (because they are charities and charities are accountable - in England, to the Charity Commission for example) so get out from under your Data Protection B/S.
So for my part another question should be
Please publish FULL details of your outreach programme including depth, commitment, duration and external sources/organisations that can be referenced
or something like that
Women in aviation are a "cause"? 
How patronising is that.
Also if she had really wanted to emulate Amy Johnson she would have had to complete the flight before getting the money.
How patronising is that. Also if she had really wanted to emulate Amy Johnson she would have had to complete the flight before getting the money.
Well she has done some excellent work for Aerobility - by work I mean recounted her epic 9,000-mile solo journey from Capetown to Goodwood in her Stearman, ‘The Spirit of Artemis’.
Does that count?
Does that count?
Another (uncorrected) SOLO claim
Tracey Curtis-Taylor recounts her epic 9,000-mile solo journey from Capetown to Goodwood in her Stearman, ‘The Spirit of Artemis’.
Tracey Curtis-Taylor recounts her epic 9,000-mile solo journey from Capetown to Goodwood in her Stearman, ‘The Spirit of Artemis’.
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What an interesting contrast between the two speakers at that event.
Capt. Lorraine Taylor talks about her career leading up to and as a British Airways 747 Captain.
‘’I have flown this type for 18 years. I have almost 20,000 flying hours, racked up over 35 years. In my 25 year career with BA, I have also flown the Tristar, and the Classic 747 - both with Flight Engineers. I did an 18 month secondment with Air Lanka in 1991 - at that time I was their first and only female pilot.”
‘’I have flown this type for 18 years. I have almost 20,000 flying hours, racked up over 35 years. In my 25 year career with BA, I have also flown the Tristar, and the Classic 747 - both with Flight Engineers. I did an 18 month secondment with Air Lanka in 1991 - at that time I was their first and only female pilot.”
Tracey Curtis-Taylor recounts her epic 9,000-mile solo journey from Capetown to Goodwood in her Stearman, ‘The Spirit of Artemis’.
After eight weeks and 9,825 miles, CurtisTaylor, British-born but raised in Canada, completed her epic adventure in January: a recreation of Lady Heath’s 1928 record-breaking flight from Cape Town to Cairo. The route took her through Zimbabwe, Zambia, Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Sudan and Egypt – before finally touching down at Goodwood in West Sussex
After eight weeks and 9,825 miles, CurtisTaylor, British-born but raised in Canada, completed her epic adventure in January: a recreation of Lady Heath’s 1928 record-breaking flight from Cape Town to Cairo. The route took her through Zimbabwe, Zambia, Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Sudan and Egypt – before finally touching down at Goodwood in West Sussex
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TOFO, a very good point. A casual review of her twitter feed and web site reveals a few school visits on the way. There is no evidence to substantiate any kind of "programme," other than that which might have been added as padding to support the application for sponsorship.
Use of the word "extensive" when describing her outreach is, like much that has been written about her, an audacious exaggeration.
Use of the word "extensive" when describing her outreach is, like much that has been written about her, an audacious exaggeration.
Avoid imitations
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Deefer, you could ask her for details of her "outreach" programme via the "contact" system on her own website.
Having said that, from first hand experience, your question will be acknowledged, with a personal promise to get back to you as soon as possible. However, if it's not convenient (as per my question about her entitlement to wear an RAF flying badge), chances are it will be otherwise ignored.
Having said that, from first hand experience, your question will be acknowledged, with a personal promise to get back to you as soon as possible. However, if it's not convenient (as per my question about her entitlement to wear an RAF flying badge), chances are it will be otherwise ignored.
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I've often found the comment
an odd one; what relevance does this have to anything she claims to have done or is it simply to add a little more embellishment to the story? Not suggesting it's untrue however this is a classic narcissistic trait that adds nothing but to suggest that the subject is perhaps more interesting than first appears.
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I know I sound like a broken record but the "outreach" is the real scam here. I'll hazard a guess as to the extend of the outreach.
1. Piggyback on anything Boeing had going but only to the extent of giving a talk or showing up for some ceremony, nothing concrete or tangible and certainly nothing that is going to change a disadvantaged persons life.
2. Dropped in at schools along the way of her flight, again for a talk and mostly about herself which benefited her PR efforts more than it did the talk recipients. Interestingly those schools and girls groups do have genuine outreach programs for STEM etc. and list the accomplished female mentors helping the girls. TCT is not listed as one.
3. I bet if you flipped thru the BIAB and Artemis expedition chequebook it would be slim pickings for the amounts and frequency that a cheque was written to a charity or for anything else that would count as outreach.
4. Attaching her name to service charities much in the same manner she attaches her name to true pioneering female aviators from the past as a way of legitimize her activities in the eyes of the public.
As I said, the outreach is all smoke and mirrors just like the solo thing.
1. Piggyback on anything Boeing had going but only to the extent of giving a talk or showing up for some ceremony, nothing concrete or tangible and certainly nothing that is going to change a disadvantaged persons life.
2. Dropped in at schools along the way of her flight, again for a talk and mostly about herself which benefited her PR efforts more than it did the talk recipients. Interestingly those schools and girls groups do have genuine outreach programs for STEM etc. and list the accomplished female mentors helping the girls. TCT is not listed as one.
3. I bet if you flipped thru the BIAB and Artemis expedition chequebook it would be slim pickings for the amounts and frequency that a cheque was written to a charity or for anything else that would count as outreach.
4. Attaching her name to service charities much in the same manner she attaches her name to true pioneering female aviators from the past as a way of legitimize her activities in the eyes of the public.
As I said, the outreach is all smoke and mirrors just like the solo thing.
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British-born but raised in Canada
I quite agree with:
adds nothing but to suggest that the subject is perhaps more interesting than first appears.
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Step Turn, I too would rather she drop her claim to being "part Canuck", mind you ,I doubt she knows what a "Step Turn" is as it seems she hasn't claimed is a float endorsement!
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I've often found the comment
an odd one; what relevance does this have to anything she claims to have done or is it simply to add a little more embellishment to the story? Not suggesting it's untrue however this is a classic narcissistic trait that adds nothing but to suggest that the subject is perhaps more interesting than first appears.
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In the intro to the Museum of Flight talk (also available on YouTube) she says "I love the old world, I love the old colonial world".
I have noticed this theme in a number of interviews and take it to be a yearning for a bygone era.
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#3312 "There must be a video of that oration" - there is ! See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLdnB8PlNAc - FF to 10:50. Watched it once - no mention of the S word that I heard ?
Cheer up, it could be worse. You could have ended up as TCT's luggage carrier.
Even after thecrash bumpy landing in Winslow, Ewald was expected to do his duty.
Pilots escape crash without injury ? The Tribune-News
Even after the
Pilots escape crash without injury ? The Tribune-News
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You could have ended up as TCT's luggage carrier
I do some advanced training for newer pilots, and I choose my clients. For the right person, I'll haul luggage - 'cause they would equally haul mine! It's about doing the job which needs to be done, without whining, or seeking accolades for it.
I've learned, the not so easy way, that some pilots just do not [yet] have what it takes to handle a more advanced 'plane, or flying environment - or worse, both together. I have had to tell a few pilots that they did not have what it took, while wondering about how they got this far. My job might have been to train them, but sometimes it was just not going to work out - they just did not get it, or would not take it seriously.
I know only of TCT what I have read here, but my experience tells me that she would be an "avoid" for advanced type training. I would not be available to carry her luggage.
Of those diligent souls gathering evidence, has anyone listened to her interview on BBC R4's Women's Hour a couple of months ago?
At the time, I though I detected her adjusting words in mid sentence, along the lines that have been repeated so often here.
Perhaps it was me hearing what I expected to hear.
Perhaps it will help understand her a little more.
I'm afraid I don't know how to get the recording from the Beeb.
At the time, I though I detected her adjusting words in mid sentence, along the lines that have been repeated so often here.
Perhaps it was me hearing what I expected to hear.
Perhaps it will help understand her a little more.
I'm afraid I don't know how to get the recording from the Beeb.
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I think this might be it 460 BBC Radio 4 - Midweek, Adam Henson, Tracey Curtis-Taylor, Paul Spike, Joe Langdon.
460 / Yotty thank you. It is one of many such audio clips that I have suffered.
Having just watched that video posted by LeicesterH (Islandlad and I were mid private message him having found it and me trying to locate it)
Does it sound familiar? Of course it does, it was the text on the biog page on her website as far back as feb 2015.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150204...lane.com/biog/
Basically she (or Tim Kelly) wrote the nice words that the Uni said about her and then tagged on a paragraph or two about this wonderful outreach programme.
Seems she has given up horticulture and her "non-stop journey across China" has been downgraded to "a journey across China". So embellishment is evident during other events too.
Another poster has pointed out to me (thanks NF) that all of the press reports that were wrong carried the same text, factual errors and grammatical errors. All points to one thing: BiaB / TCT / or Tim Kelly were feeding the media and organisations the same misinformation.
Having just watched that video posted by LeicesterH (Islandlad and I were mid private message him having found it and me trying to locate it)
Does it sound familiar? Of course it does, it was the text on the biog page on her website as far back as feb 2015.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150204...lane.com/biog/
Basically she (or Tim Kelly) wrote the nice words that the Uni said about her and then tagged on a paragraph or two about this wonderful outreach programme.
Seems she has given up horticulture and her "non-stop journey across China" has been downgraded to "a journey across China". So embellishment is evident during other events too.
Another poster has pointed out to me (thanks NF) that all of the press reports that were wrong carried the same text, factual errors and grammatical errors. All points to one thing: BiaB / TCT / or Tim Kelly were feeding the media and organisations the same misinformation.