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Old 16th May 2016, 17:24
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Poor girl, her plane is totally minced, With that kind of density altitude I wonder if she had to rich a mixture on TO ?
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Old 16th May 2016, 21:29
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Doesn't matter who's name is on the title it's still a beautiful aircraft getting wrecked which is always a shame. If this was a more modern aircraft it would be written off, rebuilding the damage on this one looks like a mamouth task.

Good luck to them.
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Old 16th May 2016, 21:39
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I suspect you are correct with heavy aircraft on takeoff and rich cut.

Pilot flying when problems occured probably would have been the instructor owner in the front seat but his company and experience is based in Austria where a high temp rich cut scenario would never occur.

The airframe will take a while to recover and rebuild.
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Old 16th May 2016, 23:16
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I find it hard to believe any pilot in that area would not have "Mixture leaned" in their Checklist.
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Old 17th May 2016, 00:52
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I find it hard to believe any pilot in that area would not have "Mixture leaned" in their Checklist.
Yes, but, as Rumsfeld said, you don't know what you don't know. Experience can be a hard teacher, first comes the exam, then comes the lesson.
She said: ‘It seemed to accelerate normally down the runway and climbed normally initially but within a very short space of time it became obvious we weren’t going anywhere.
‘It wouldn’t climb. It never got over about 50ft. It was just a choice of a gradual turn and put the thing down and then it went into a bush.’
It did a full flip and ended up the right way up. The aeroplane is just destroyed
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Old 17th May 2016, 02:50
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I'm glad her and the cameraman who sat in with her on her epic solo adventures are ok.
Apparently they are going to try and have it ready for Farnborough in July, they have spare wings ! So it may already be Triggers' broom anyway.
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Old 17th May 2016, 06:07
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I'm glad her and the cameraman who sat in with her on her epic solo adventures are ok.
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Are you serious or tongue-in-cheek?

The "cameraman/passenger" was Ewald Gritsch, the owner of the aircraft and of an Austrian Stearman restoration business. He was also in the front cockpit when Tracy landed at Sydney after her "solo" flight.
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Old 17th May 2016, 07:57
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that *may* have been my point.
He's always called "the cameraman" in her PR material.
But let's not get into all that again.
;-)
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Old 17th May 2016, 14:25
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She said: ‘It seemed to accelerate normally down the runway and climbed normally initially but within a very short space of time it became obvious we weren’t going anywhere.
‘It wouldn’t climb. It never got over about 50ft. It was just a choice of a gradual turn and put the thing down and then it went into a bush.’
It did a full flip and ended up the right way up. The aeroplane is just destroyed
Doesn't sound a very technical description to me - presumably this was intended for lay readers? This reminds me of the lady who flew an R44 around the world in the '90's accompanied by an experienced chaperone although I understand she did achieve the same feat solo later on - I don't think there was any suggestion she was solo the first time though.

Winslow can be a bit swirly at times and performance considerations must be taken into account - surely an experienced vintage operator would lean off the mixture under the circumstances regardless of where the aircraft is based -they've flown this all over the world, right? I know of a number of density altitude related accidents at fairly nearby Sedona but the risk is exacerbated there as the airfield sits on a monolith with a significant drop on all sides - indeed a friend of mine (former FJ's, airline and much single-engine piston experience) died in a horrific accident in the area a few years ago although the reason was undetermined, the suggestion was density altitude related.
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Old 19th May 2016, 00:24
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the lady who flew an R44 around the world
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Murray

Remarkable, beautiful, classy lady.
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Old 19th May 2016, 01:13
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Wealthy and well connected spring to mind.

Google her.

Same with Tracy Curtis Taylor

Not exactly poor shop assistants.

However money and sponsorship cannot buy experience.

Density altitude and a rich mixture cut caught them out.

Lucky they got away with the turn.

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Old 19th May 2016, 22:48
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Interesting indeed.
Thank you for posting the link.

The National Post is a relatively small circulation Canadian publication.
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Old 19th May 2016, 23:10
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Genghis

Your statement below is not strictly correct.


"So far as I recall, the only issue over there was one or two obsessive individuals who just peed everybody off by going on about the woman incessantly when there was already a broad consensus of opinion."


I imagine that members of aviation internet forums represent less than 5% of the subscribers of the Flyer magazine. Whilst we [on here and there] clearly know the truth, it is also true to say that probably 95% of the magazine community will be intentionally mislead on how that top 10 was concluded.

It was convenient [for me] that the publisher of Flyer was to hand when I presented this very question of deceit, and how the story would be portrayed to readers.

Here is what was said .....




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Jetblu wrote:
Deceit is deceit, which ever way you want to spell it. Whilst it has been made quite clear that Flyer have no great interest in covering the factual, and very important matter, it will be interesting to see how it is reported in the Pilot Magazine.

G-BLEW wrote Mon May 09, 2016 5:02 pm
Well, she's made it into their list of '10 outstanding women from aviation history' so I guess that's how they've chosen to cover it.

Ian
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Not good if you ask me.
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Old 20th May 2016, 04:28
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The National Post is a relatively small circulation Canadian publication.
And, we're proud of it - for its thorough research, and detailed reporting. The National Post has again, presented an interesting story.
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Old 20th May 2016, 07:19
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I really don't care if the bird was solo or not, nor how many gongs she did or didn't receive, it's one helluva flight all the same. What I can't understand is Sam who's company was hired to provide support services for one of her flights, appears to now be pissing in his customers well. That kind of thing has got to be a show stopper for future clients looking to contract for similar services.

I'm surprised, as what little I know about his business from reading his service offerings and customer trip reports online they seemed to be a pretty professional outfit.
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Old 20th May 2016, 07:20
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Interesting article. Whilst I have no major interest in TCT or her round the world (solo or otherwise) personal adventure, has anybody considered that the Boeing link may not be down to one of her elevated connections? Rather that Boeing may have an interest and be perfectly entitled to a mention on the side of the aircraft because erm......... it's a Boeing and was built way back in one of their factories?
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Old 20th May 2016, 07:26
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Originally Posted by Small Rodent Driver View Post
Interesting article. Whilst I have no major interest in TCT or her round the world (solo or otherwise) personal adventure, has anybody considered that the Boeing link may not be down to one of her elevated connections? Rather that Boeing may have an interest and be perfectly entitled to a mention on the side of the aircraft because erm......... it's a Boeing and was built way back in one of their factories?
SRD: Do you mean like how my old tractor has "F O R D" in large letters across the bonnet ?
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Old 20th May 2016, 12:19
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I guess the statement "alone in an open cock-pit(sic)" is true.


She was alone in hers.


He was alone in his.
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Old 20th May 2016, 12:30
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Exactly!
Some clever word-smithing has been used (and refined) throughout these well orchestrated deceptions.
The whole fraud has been perpetrated so well that, aside from the tabloid-reading gullibles and couch-potatoes, even the 'Honourable Company'
has been sucked in to lending this rort undue credibility.
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Old 20th May 2016, 12:40
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What baffles me is that as a CPL and flying instructor with an interest in aerobatics and classic aircraft (or so her CV says), something would have to be seriously wrong for her not to be able to fly a training aircraft around solo. So why risk the inevitable.
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