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Old 5th Mar 2016, 09:15
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One frequency for air to air in the UK would be rendered pretty much useless by the amount of users. The range at 3000 feet would be far too much. It's bad enough over the remote oceanic areas!
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Old 5th Mar 2016, 09:35
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Originally Posted by PA28181 View Post
In class "G" don't think so.

Extremely lucky to get the very basic "Traffic Service" providing "controller workload" isn't too high, maybe a couple of aircraft in the sky at a time.
OP was talking about SE England. Maybe I've just been lucky but I've always got traffic service when asked. I know this isn't perfect but that plus Mk1 eyeball being used is preferable to messing around with a mobile phone, walkie talkie etc etc

Personally nothing would wind me up more than the need to keep chatting to other pilots in the air. One of the reasons I like flying is the enforced solitude, no mobile phones, social media or incessant chatter.

Maybe I'm just a miserable git.
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Old 5th Mar 2016, 09:36
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Several times I would like to have been allowed to warn others in my vicinity of "chinook at 11 O'clock climbing towards" or "gliders circling ahead" or even "kinnell, that was close, where is the other one" (fast jets always fly in pairs!) but it seems that we shouldn't.
Nothing to stop you requesting this info be passed on by the controller, " XXXX, please advise G-XX of Chinook at 11 O'Clock, heading our way" as your other aircraft will be on the frequency anyway they will get the info as soon as you transmit it.
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Old 5th Mar 2016, 09:44
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Originally Posted by foxmoth View Post
Nothing to stop you requesting this info be passed on by the controller, " XXXX, please advise G-XX of Chinook at 11 O'Clock, heading our way" as your other aircraft will be on the frequency anyway they will get the info as soon as you transmit it.
My point exactly. It is also then helpful to the Chinook. Chinook might not have spotted you and then knows you're around somewhere; alternatively confirms to Chinook that you have seen it and are unlikely therefore to fly blindly into it.
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Old 5th Mar 2016, 10:42
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This specific Chinook situation could perhaps even be handled with an "inter-pilot" transmission on the FIS frequency? Though I must say I have yet to come across a real occurrence of interpilot transmission.

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Personally nothing would wind me up more than the need to keep chatting to other pilots in the air.
: I totally concur - and this is exactly why I think a dedicated chatter frequency would be a good thing. I hear too much chatter for my liking on my local FIS frequency - even if I realise it must be worse elsewhere.
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Old 5th Mar 2016, 13:00
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123.45 - better than Safetycomm for air to air

Although of somewhat dubious legality, 123.450 Mhz has become the de facto air to air frequency for the ‘same way / same day’ type formation flying. As mentioned above, the range of VHF signals can be quite extensive. I recall hearing crews on two ‘Heavy’ aircraft discussing where they were going to eat when they got in to Singapore. From the conversation they were somewhere over the Middle East at the time, we were heading up the East Coast of Germany…

It’s preferable to use 123.45 instead of Safetycomm for air to air. Safetycomm is proving a really good idea amongst the farm strip fraternity, even in the crowded South East of England. It does get busy with legitimate traffic and can do without the air to air stuff.
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Old 8th Mar 2016, 22:16
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Although of somewhat dubious legality, 123.450 Mhz
Nothing dubious about it at all, the use of any frequency, other than that for which it is allocated, is as illegal as Radio Caroline.
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Old 11th Mar 2016, 20:09
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Radio Caroline is now fully legal.....broadcasting on the internet, and very good it is too.
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Old 24th Mar 2016, 11:39
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Nothing to stop you requesting this info be passed on by the controller, " XXXX, please advise G-XX of Chinook at 11 O'Clock, heading our way" as your other aircraft will be on the frequency anyway they will get the info as soon as you transmit it.
So what if I want to call my partner in crime into right echelon? I can't use hand signals necessarily as he may be in trail and I'd prefer not to use a third party as it can easily cause distraction - and I have yet to hear any formation do that....

We use a quiet frequency where possible. If not, we transmit on whichever ATC frequency we are using. If it's done properly, the leader will transmit briefly. The only reply he will expect to hear is "Two" (apart from the occasional controller who hasn't been paying full attention when the formation checks in and transmits "say again" every time ).

No need for chatter.
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Old 24th Mar 2016, 13:45
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Radio Caroline is now fully legal.....broadcasting on the internet, and very good it is too.
In late 1985, I saw Radio Caroline in Banjul; derelict on the mudflats.
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