UK: getting a LAPL(A) on the basis of PPL(A)
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UK: getting a LAPL(A) on the basis of PPL(A)
Hello,
I have gone through all 930 pages of CAP804 and still haven't found the answer. As the LAPL(A) licence is deemed to be "lower" than PPL(A), is it possible to apply to the CAA for LAPL(A) solely on the basis of the valid EASA PPL(A) and a LAPL medical certificate? Just curious...
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I have gone through all 930 pages of CAP804 and still haven't found the answer. As the LAPL(A) licence is deemed to be "lower" than PPL(A), is it possible to apply to the CAA for LAPL(A) solely on the basis of the valid EASA PPL(A) and a LAPL medical certificate? Just curious...
/h88
Hi, Hegemon88
First, well done for having read the whole of CAP804!
It was originally intended that each Licence would include the privileges of all the Licences below it, in the same Category, and that you would be able to use any Medical Certificate, whilst confining your flying to the limits of the Licence or the Medical, whichever was the more restrictive.
Unfortunately, EASA forgot to include the privileges of a LAPL in those of a PPL, although they did remember to include them in the privileges of the CPL and an ATPL.
This means that, if you have a PPL and you want to use a LAPL Medical, or the LAPL period of a Class 1 or Class 2 Medical, you have to physically 'swap' your PPL for a LAPL!
To do this, Fill in the online application form here:
https://apply.caa.co.uk/CAAPortal/te...m?formCode=PVI
with a payment of £151, and post your PPL back to the CAA. (You cannot 'hold' more than one EASA Licence in the same Category at the same time, so they must have the PPL back, before they can issue the LAPL!)
Note that you cannot fly as PIC in the period between sending your PPL back, and receiving your LAPL. (Approx 6-8 weeks at the moment!)
Wish you never asked?
MJ
First, well done for having read the whole of CAP804!
It was originally intended that each Licence would include the privileges of all the Licences below it, in the same Category, and that you would be able to use any Medical Certificate, whilst confining your flying to the limits of the Licence or the Medical, whichever was the more restrictive.
Unfortunately, EASA forgot to include the privileges of a LAPL in those of a PPL, although they did remember to include them in the privileges of the CPL and an ATPL.
This means that, if you have a PPL and you want to use a LAPL Medical, or the LAPL period of a Class 1 or Class 2 Medical, you have to physically 'swap' your PPL for a LAPL!
To do this, Fill in the online application form here:
https://apply.caa.co.uk/CAAPortal/te...m?formCode=PVI
with a payment of £151, and post your PPL back to the CAA. (You cannot 'hold' more than one EASA Licence in the same Category at the same time, so they must have the PPL back, before they can issue the LAPL!)
Note that you cannot fly as PIC in the period between sending your PPL back, and receiving your LAPL. (Approx 6-8 weeks at the moment!)
Wish you never asked?
MJ
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Thanks MJ!
Well, I didn't read all pages, just browsed them. Still a mammoth task.
Funny thing as I have actually heard someone say that the LAPL(A) privileges are "embedded" in PPL(A), is it not the case? What is this caused by, something in Part-FCL? Could you (or someone) give a reference?
Thanks again,
/h88
Well, I didn't read all pages, just browsed them. Still a mammoth task.
Funny thing as I have actually heard someone say that the LAPL(A) privileges are "embedded" in PPL(A), is it not the case? What is this caused by, something in Part-FCL? Could you (or someone) give a reference?
Thanks again,
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If you already hold a EASA PPL(A) and are looking to obtain a EASA LAPL(A) then this is a "re-grade" in CAA speak, so you will need CAA form SRG1190:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG1190FFenabled1.pdf
You would have to hand back your PPL in order to obtain another licence (i.e. LAPL) for that category of aircraft.
NPA 2014-29 has proposed that LAPL privileges are embedded within a PPL but this amendment to EASA regulation is neither confirmed nor implemented.
ifitaint...
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG1190FFenabled1.pdf
You would have to hand back your PPL in order to obtain another licence (i.e. LAPL) for that category of aircraft.
NPA 2014-29 has proposed that LAPL privileges are embedded within a PPL but this amendment to EASA regulation is neither confirmed nor implemented.
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@ifitaint...
Thank you!
I have read the form + notes and understand that it's either-or: either I keep my PPL(A) or get LAPL(A). Do you happen to know whether that's reversible, i.e. whether a former PPL(A) holder who re-graded it to LAPL(A), can re-re-grade to PPL(A) again, assuming still within the period of original validity of SEP class rating?
I have also skimmed through the NPA. I can see that the "embedding" of LAPL(A) is being added in the PPL(A) section. What is this NPA's status? I can see that the period for comments has closed in May but there is no corresponding CRD - does it simply mean that EASA are taking their time?
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I have read the form + notes and understand that it's either-or: either I keep my PPL(A) or get LAPL(A). Do you happen to know whether that's reversible, i.e. whether a former PPL(A) holder who re-graded it to LAPL(A), can re-re-grade to PPL(A) again, assuming still within the period of original validity of SEP class rating?
I have also skimmed through the NPA. I can see that the "embedding" of LAPL(A) is being added in the PPL(A) section. What is this NPA's status? I can see that the period for comments has closed in May but there is no corresponding CRD - does it simply mean that EASA are taking their time?
/h88
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Surrendering a PPL(A) for an LAPL(A)
In response to the original question here is the answer I received from FCLWEB:
"If you have been issued with an EASA PPL(A), regulation does not permit you to hold two licences within the same category. If you now wish to convert to a LAPL licence you will be required to surrender your EASA PPL(A).
You will be required to complete the licence conversion requirements and application to convert to a LAPL, including hold a valid Part MED medical certificate at minimum of a LAPL level, a valid SEP or SSEA rating and a valid English language proficiency level. In addition please complete the conversion application form SRG1104 and surrender your PPL(A). The fee to convert to a LAPL is £41.
As an EASA holder, you do not need to complete an additional 10 hours PIC before carrying passengers. However please note that you are not able to add IR or IMC privileges to a LAPL."
Note the fee is only£41!
The process was pretty slick as well
"If you have been issued with an EASA PPL(A), regulation does not permit you to hold two licences within the same category. If you now wish to convert to a LAPL licence you will be required to surrender your EASA PPL(A).
You will be required to complete the licence conversion requirements and application to convert to a LAPL, including hold a valid Part MED medical certificate at minimum of a LAPL level, a valid SEP or SSEA rating and a valid English language proficiency level. In addition please complete the conversion application form SRG1104 and surrender your PPL(A). The fee to convert to a LAPL is £41.
As an EASA holder, you do not need to complete an additional 10 hours PIC before carrying passengers. However please note that you are not able to add IR or IMC privileges to a LAPL."
Note the fee is only£41!
The process was pretty slick as well