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"banging on about not fitting the 328"
You have probably read my articulate in flyer about collision avoidance as well? First use of ES in UK airspace should be approved within the next 6 months via NATS, expect a considerable increase in usage and advantages over the next few years.
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You have probably read my articulate in flyer about collision avoidance as well? First use of ES in UK airspace should be approved within the next 6 months via NATS, expect a considerable increase in usage and advantages over the next few years.
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And I'm sure just cause CAA/NATS approve something everyone will rush out and upgrade right away right? I doubt it.
TCAS in all GA Flying School planes? I doubt it.
Yes all these technological advantages are amazing, and yes, if I was buying a brand new plane in 5 years I would hope it had all this, and yes I hope all the usage increases, however retrofitting a 30 year old PA28 one doesn't need to be 5-10 years ahead of the approval of new technologies...
Things don't tend to move very fast in aviation legislation...
Remember, all you need is a time piece and a map and a magnetic compass to legally fly
(I know some idiot who has also ditched all this and "claims" his iPhone has a time/compass/Skydemon and so is legal carrying just his iPhone ... I disagree but hey, its his life!)
TCAS in all GA Flying School planes? I doubt it.
Yes all these technological advantages are amazing, and yes, if I was buying a brand new plane in 5 years I would hope it had all this, and yes I hope all the usage increases, however retrofitting a 30 year old PA28 one doesn't need to be 5-10 years ahead of the approval of new technologies...
Things don't tend to move very fast in aviation legislation...
Remember, all you need is a time piece and a map and a magnetic compass to legally fly
(I know some idiot who has also ditched all this and "claims" his iPhone has a time/compass/Skydemon and so is legal carrying just his iPhone ... I disagree but hey, its his life!)
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"And I'm sure just cause CAA/NATS approve something everyone will rush out and upgrade right away right? I doubt it. "
Depends what is required to "upgrade". If you have ES (supported by just about all Mode S transponders except Garmin as standard) then the upgrade is an RS232 cable. If you have Garmin then you are right, not many will scrap a new 328 to upgrade to an ES unit costing about the same (or less) as the 328 did. Personally, I already have the cable in place but have the com port disabled on my EFIS.
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Depends what is required to "upgrade". If you have ES (supported by just about all Mode S transponders except Garmin as standard) then the upgrade is an RS232 cable. If you have Garmin then you are right, not many will scrap a new 328 to upgrade to an ES unit costing about the same (or less) as the 328 did. Personally, I already have the cable in place but have the com port disabled on my EFIS.
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Reading a lot of your posts you always advice against Garmin, you always promote others, seems to me you have some kind of other agenda...
Ahhh the trusted RS232 connector - a 1962 invention...
Some would say: In a perfect world we would all have SSR/ADS-B/ES/TCAS/GPWS/GPS in every rust bucket spam can...
Then others would say: **** that I just want to fly.
Then others would say: **** that I dont want to be seen.
There are other threads (FLYER Forums ? View topic - The need to speak.) where 11 pages of people saying they do/dont even bother talking to allow others to know their intentions! Some aviators don't even carry radios.
Personally, I talk, I'm seen on SSR, I'm current and I'm legal :-)
I say each to their own. I'm happy, for now, with the kit I researched, got advice for, had installed, and use.
Thus ends my contribution here in someone elses thread :-)
Kindest regards
Phil.
Reading a lot of your posts you always advice against Garmin, you always promote others, seems to me you have some kind of other agenda...
Ahhh the trusted RS232 connector - a 1962 invention...
Some would say: In a perfect world we would all have SSR/ADS-B/ES/TCAS/GPWS/GPS in every rust bucket spam can...
Then others would say: **** that I just want to fly.
Then others would say: **** that I dont want to be seen.
There are other threads (FLYER Forums ? View topic - The need to speak.) where 11 pages of people saying they do/dont even bother talking to allow others to know their intentions! Some aviators don't even carry radios.
Personally, I talk, I'm seen on SSR, I'm current and I'm legal :-)
I say each to their own. I'm happy, for now, with the kit I researched, got advice for, had installed, and use.
Thus ends my contribution here in someone elses thread :-)
Kindest regards
Phil.
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"Reading a lot of your posts you always advice against Garmin, you always promote others, seems to me you have some kind of other agenda... "
Not Garmin generally - just Garmin transponders with no ES and therefore no cost effective ADS-B solution. I guess it could also be said I am quite pro Trig. Trig is British and I have fitted quite a few now with no issues. The Trig built Bendix King KT-74 looks good. No personal experience of it but an interesting bit of kit;
KT 74 - BendixKing by Honeywell
Same price as the 328 but with similar functionality to the 330 ES.
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Not Garmin generally - just Garmin transponders with no ES and therefore no cost effective ADS-B solution. I guess it could also be said I am quite pro Trig. Trig is British and I have fitted quite a few now with no issues. The Trig built Bendix King KT-74 looks good. No personal experience of it but an interesting bit of kit;
KT 74 - BendixKing by Honeywell
Same price as the 328 but with similar functionality to the 330 ES.
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Trig is British and I have fitted quite a few now with no issues. The Trig built Bendix King KT-74 looks good. No personal experience of it but an interesting bit of kit;
I have just bought a PA28 140 that doesn't have an intercom.
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After talking to avionics eng I have decided to have a sigtonics intercom fitted for now. I would like to upgrade to a gns430 but that would double the value of my aeroplane so it will have to wait a few months till I've got the race car sorted for the season
Thanks for the advice about the question, and, to ignore the less helpful comments
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Thanks for the advice about the question, and, to ignore the less helpful comments
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Bendix king have been forced to look to the likes of Trig because the corporate bean counters at honnywell have with the lack of foresight that only bean counters can have starved the GA part of Bendix king of development money. Anyone with talent and the drive to get on simply walked across the road in Olathe KS to the Garmin factory and found a better job.
The Trig / PS engineering tie up is far more of a joint venture, both Trig & PS engineering are very much at the top of their respective parts of the Avionic business and have got together to offer a very good product that brings the strengths of both companies to the market.
SimonT I am pleased that after such a poor start on this forum you found a solution to your problem, the Sigtronics intercom is a reliable unit ( I have two of them ) and is a cost effective way to go, for audio Quality it is not up to the PS engineering standards but will do the job to a reasonable standard untill you are ready to move on.
Whopity The intercom function was never built into early PA28's It was a lash up that used the radio's audio amp for a job that it was never intended to do hence the need to have matched headsets, it had permenantly live microphones, no squelch and appalling audio quality. In my opinion it was responsable for adding an hour or two to each PPL course due to the poor level of communication between instructor and student. Having been on both sides of the cockpit with this system I was more than pleased when my employer finaly fitted the sigtronics intercom and I could communicate clearly with my students.
The Trig / PS engineering tie up is far more of a joint venture, both Trig & PS engineering are very much at the top of their respective parts of the Avionic business and have got together to offer a very good product that brings the strengths of both companies to the market.
SimonT I am pleased that after such a poor start on this forum you found a solution to your problem, the Sigtronics intercom is a reliable unit ( I have two of them ) and is a cost effective way to go, for audio Quality it is not up to the PS engineering standards but will do the job to a reasonable standard untill you are ready to move on.
Whopity The intercom function was never built into early PA28's It was a lash up that used the radio's audio amp for a job that it was never intended to do hence the need to have matched headsets, it had permenantly live microphones, no squelch and appalling audio quality. In my opinion it was responsable for adding an hour or two to each PPL course due to the poor level of communication between instructor and student. Having been on both sides of the cockpit with this system I was more than pleased when my employer finaly fitted the sigtronics intercom and I could communicate clearly with my students.
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If you were interested in the ADS-B side - the trial of ADS-B out is now GO
FLYER Forums ? View topic - General Aviation ADS-B Trial in Southern England
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FLYER Forums ? View topic - General Aviation ADS-B Trial in Southern England
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