Throw in the towel?
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Pat, can it be you are a bit sloppy, occasionally? If you have 36 liters of gasoline and the fuel consumption is 20 liters per hour, you have (example) a save flight time of 1 hour plus 45 minutes reserve plus 1 liter non-usable fuel at level flight - don't forget the margin for bank angles. At latest (!) you are down in the woods after 2 hours, but this is not what FI wants to hear - at least if it would be me. Pilot guesstimation is not about straight forward math, its about knowing the machine you fly - even though your instructors calls it calculation 
. Got the difference?
Maybe a short story based on some cut&paste from the thread so far?
(Level Attitude): "OK Pat you say we have 40 Litres of fuel on board. Is that total or usable?
This aircraft uses approximately 25 litres per hour. For today's exercise we will be flying for approximately one hour. As you know we like to land with a least 45 minutes worth of fuel remaining. Can we go, or do we need to go to the Pumps first?"
(You): "And just to answer your mathematical question no we wont have to go to the pumps to fuel up we have a sufficient amount of fuel to fly for an hour."
(Me): "Ok Pat, I understand. Let's roll the plane back to the hangar and we do some ground work. You are not fit for flying today."
. Got the difference?Maybe a short story based on some cut&paste from the thread so far?
(Level Attitude): "OK Pat you say we have 40 Litres of fuel on board. Is that total or usable?
This aircraft uses approximately 25 litres per hour. For today's exercise we will be flying for approximately one hour. As you know we like to land with a least 45 minutes worth of fuel remaining. Can we go, or do we need to go to the Pumps first?"
(You): "And just to answer your mathematical question no we wont have to go to the pumps to fuel up we have a sufficient amount of fuel to fly for an hour."
(Me): "Ok Pat, I understand. Let's roll the plane back to the hangar and we do some ground work. You are not fit for flying today."
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WOW, this forum is great!
Pat, I think you would have to get up to speed to really digest and grasp the information flow being projected in this threat.
I get a sense of "insecurity" reading your lines and I guess that's the feeling your instructor might also be experiencing.
Strengthen your attitude and enhance your information exchange to project more profound competence in the context of aviation and your instructor will gain more confidence in your aircraft handling activities..
That's it.
Good luck
WP
Pat, I think you would have to get up to speed to really digest and grasp the information flow being projected in this threat.
I get a sense of "insecurity" reading your lines and I guess that's the feeling your instructor might also be experiencing.
Strengthen your attitude and enhance your information exchange to project more profound competence in the context of aviation and your instructor will gain more confidence in your aircraft handling activities..
That's it.
Good luck
WP
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Talking of fuel how many instructors have the confidence to teach very low time pilots about leaning ? and how many students post first solo motor around with the thing in full rich? A lot.
Don't forget if you talk of lack of confidence it is the instructors job to instil confidence in his students not undermine that confidence.
i don't believe this guy has even been solo yet?
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Talking of fuel how many instructors have the confidence to teach very low time pilots about leaning ? and how many students post first solo motor around with the thing in full rich? A lot.
Don't forget if you talk of lack of confidence it is the instructors job to instil confidence in his students not undermine that confidence.
i don't believe this guy has even been solo yet?
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I temporarily gave up flying for similar reasons. My first instructor was fine, however he left for a big jet job. The replacement was arrogant and persistently critical and after several lessons I gave up flying in despair. Six months later my wife persuaded me to have another go. I restarted with a wonderful lady instructor. We spent most of our time laughing and I eventually qualified. I now fly 70 hours year and have a great time with my flying friends.
Don't be shy. Find an instructor you get on with and enjoy the experience.
If your instructor tells you 'now let's see if you can manage this landing without a bounce'. If you both laugh then you've got the right instructor. If you feel intimidated get another.
Don't be shy. Find an instructor you get on with and enjoy the experience.
If your instructor tells you 'now let's see if you can manage this landing without a bounce'. If you both laugh then you've got the right instructor. If you feel intimidated get another.
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I feel very under pressure when I'm with him almost as if he's waiting for me to mess up so that he can comment on it
Hours of comments and criticisms and reams of notes on paper - I felt like I wasn't progressing at all.
My instructor was off sick one day and I flew with the deputy CFI - who thought I was almost ready for my Test!!!
Change instructor is probably the best initial advice.
Then see how it goes ...
Don't 'throw in the towel' just yet!
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Change instructor. You are flying for pleasure and there is no reason why it should not be fun; certainly enjoyable. It sounds like this miserable sod is making your flying unpleasant. A proper instructor will show you respect. They will allow you to gain confidence as you learn and a really good one will inject humour into the process. Yes, there are many items that you need to be serious about (lookout, speed/s, engine management, location) but that also can be accomplished in a civilised manner.
Banking will not change the useable fuel in the tanks. Slipping and pitch changes will.
Don't give in. Use your towel to flick the guy's arse on the way out!
PM
...don't forget the margin for bank angles.
Don't give in. Use your towel to flick the guy's arse on the way out!
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Good advice from everybody.....you will always find someone to whom you take a total dislike, you will meet people who ,after five minutes, seem like old friends.
At 23, I had a serious motor accident...it wasn't my fault. I employed a solicitor. communication was stilted at best....he suddenly sent a letterstating I had an offer of £x and if it was not accepted withinY days, I would be out of time to bring a case against the guilty party
A couple of years later I was buying a house. The building society suggested a local Solicitor and i duly made an appointment.
The interview started "I don't know you, you don't know me, I suggest we spend a few minutes and I'll tell you about our Practice and you can tell me about yourself. We should then know if we can work together, if we can't I have colleagues ,one of who you will find OK."
He was a great fellow and we did further business togetherSadly, after he died, his protege could not fill his boots.
all qualified, but only one that I had confidence in.
Find an instructor who's company you enjoy in the cockpit.
At 23, I had a serious motor accident...it wasn't my fault. I employed a solicitor. communication was stilted at best....he suddenly sent a letterstating I had an offer of £x and if it was not accepted withinY days, I would be out of time to bring a case against the guilty party
A couple of years later I was buying a house. The building society suggested a local Solicitor and i duly made an appointment.
The interview started "I don't know you, you don't know me, I suggest we spend a few minutes and I'll tell you about our Practice and you can tell me about yourself. We should then know if we can work together, if we can't I have colleagues ,one of who you will find OK."
He was a great fellow and we did further business togetherSadly, after he died, his protege could not fill his boots.
all qualified, but only one that I had confidence in.
Find an instructor who's company you enjoy in the cockpit.
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Way back when I was learning to fly there was an instructor (not mine) at the school who was a right panic merchant, not just in flying but in everything he did, he and a few of students and myself used to go out on his boat and every time without fail he would start panicking and losing the plot over things that were of no consequence. One day one of the students (not his)decided he wanted to fly to Laughlin Nevada for a bit gambling and get some XC experience, as the flight was not part of his syllabus and his instructor was not available he invited the panicky FI along in right seat to be legal and myself to sit in the back.
On the way there the student and the instructor decided to airport hop in and out of some airfields along the way for fun and experience, on final approach to the first 3 landings the instructor would grab the controls and yell "my plane" then proceed to give some long winded explanation as to why the student was messing up so badly something horrific was bound to happen, all complete bull**** off course. Upon arrival at the destination the student told the instructor that he was out of order and was denting his confidence without justification. On the way back on short final the FI did it again, the student very calmly took the controls back after existing the runway but instead of taxing back for takeoff he parked the plane and shut it down then turned to the FI and explained in no uncertain terms that if there was a repeat of his actions he was going to get the **** kicked out off him right on the taxiway
It did not happen again. The FI went on to wash out of a few airline training programs then ended up working as an insurance salesman. Probably a better career choice for someone who thought the world was going to end and disasters where always about to happen.
On the way there the student and the instructor decided to airport hop in and out of some airfields along the way for fun and experience, on final approach to the first 3 landings the instructor would grab the controls and yell "my plane" then proceed to give some long winded explanation as to why the student was messing up so badly something horrific was bound to happen, all complete bull**** off course. Upon arrival at the destination the student told the instructor that he was out of order and was denting his confidence without justification. On the way back on short final the FI did it again, the student very calmly took the controls back after existing the runway but instead of taxing back for takeoff he parked the plane and shut it down then turned to the FI and explained in no uncertain terms that if there was a repeat of his actions he was going to get the **** kicked out off him right on the taxiway
It did not happen again. The FI went on to wash out of a few airline training programs then ended up working as an insurance salesman. Probably a better career choice for someone who thought the world was going to end and disasters where always about to happen.
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Strengthen your attitude and enhance your information exchange to project more profound competence in the context of aviation and your instructor will gain more confidence in your aircraft handling activities..
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(Also helps if you talk simple English rather than confusing jargon:- "enhance your information exchange to project more profound confidence" ????)
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Complete bullsh*t. The student is paying good money to learn to fly. He is not there to stroke the instructor's ego!
We have heard only one side of the story and I would not derive anything strict like that from here. I always tell people that there is no "right to get a license", which would be the other side of "I pay for it". I do reserve the right to not let a student pass, if I am uncomfortable with it. The dead remains of "everybody can do anything, if you just let'em" from the late misunderstood 68's is going on my nerves no less. NO, not everybody taking flight lessons is able to learn to fly. We, as a forum, are completely unable to judge over the poster, but there are some noticed things to definitely work on - no more, no less.
We have heard only one side of the story and I would not derive anything strict like that from here. I always tell people that there is no "right to get a license", which would be the other side of "I pay for it". I do reserve the right to not let a student pass, if I am uncomfortable with it. The dead remains of "everybody can do anything, if you just let'em" from the late misunderstood 68's is going on my nerves no less. NO, not everybody taking flight lessons is able to learn to fly. We, as a forum, are completely unable to judge over the poster, but there are some noticed things to definitely work on - no more, no less.
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At 10 hours or so he is not about to be passing very much, just looking to solo in the next 10, and if he is not up to scratch then no instructor should send him, but this is also the stage where the instructor most needs to build his confidence! This response is far more suited to a student at 45 hours plus!
