C172 -> PA28-161 Time needed to convert?..

[Genghis the Engineer]

Originally Posted by A and C

As to it being a good trainer, it is an adequate trainer............ The C152, PA38 & DHC-1 are good trainers.

Agreed - the PA28 is there to train baby airline pilots in hand flown precision nav. It does that adequately well.

Only problem is that they'll rarely fly hand flown precision nav, and good handling skills or managing stuff that's quite unreliable, would serve them much better.

G

[Johnm]

Why in the 21st century do we think it necessary to train pilots in aeroplanes that don 't really work properly because they were designed 100 years ago

[slam525i]

I would have favoured teaching the positive aspects of slowing the aircraft to about 70 KTS before deploying any flap thereby avoiding an uncomfortable amount of pitch change and being gentile on the aircraft.

Nothing wrong with that at all, except sometimes flaps are good for slowing the aircraft down and one should know what to expect dropping the flaps at the top of the white arc. Also, dropping the flaps at low speed, one needs to be aware of the increased drag and not lose too much speed after.

who would fly ay 1000 ft at night, what about lowest safe?

Minimum safe was about the height I cruised at. I also had obstacle and terrain awareness on 2 separate devices, 1 of which also showed me the clearance before I took off. That said, flying at 1000 AGL at night isn't great, and contributed to where I ended up (I diverted). The reason I was at 1000 AGL was because the traffic area of our "big" airport is nearby, and everyone VFR gets pushed down by ATC to the same height. Trust me, I don't like flying at only 1000, especially at night. In my defence, there's no alternative (except to not fly), and it's considered perfectly normal and safe by everyone (probably because of the lack of alternatives).

[Genghis the Engineer]

Originally Posted by Johnm

Why in the 21st century do we think it necessary to train pilots in aeroplanes that don 't really work properly because they were designed 100 years ago

Because that's what they'll fly after training?

Speaking as an instructor, the more failures and emergencies I can simulate in training, the better a pilot I should produce. But the odd real minor problem has training value as well.

G

[porterpat]

lowest is 1500

rubbish!
If you can't or won't fly at he min safe below cta stay on the ground, or get a clearance

[slam525i]

lowest is 1500

rubbish!
If you can't or won't fly at he min safe below cta stay on the ground, or get a clearance

I was VFR under their control at the bottom edge of their Class C airspace.

I don't know if you're rubbishing me, my flying abilities, what I said, or Nav Canada for their airspace allocation. I also don't know where you get the idea that ATC is only allowed to direct us to fly at 1500 AGL or higher. (Maybe those are your regulations in Australia?)

[A and C]

Spat !

Looks like it will be handbags a dawn !