First radio failure

[airpolice]

8 codes

Not as funny as it was before we had transponderfs with all ten digits available to press.

[Andy_P]

Originally Posted by mad_jock

Now fostex don't spoil the fun, it will make them go and look at the books.

which is the whole point of the statement. Its very effective actually at teaching the codes and also transponder theory.

Public humiliation is a very effective teaching tool if done in a humorous way.

Ok, you almost got me I think. My books make no suggestion of 7800, just 1200,7600 and 7700 plus whatever ATC tells you. Some google detective work leads me to believe that if you can enter 7800, then perhaps you may have an issue!!

So how do I ask with out potentially spoiling it? 7777?

[mad_jock]

true but they do fall for it most of the time.

I have only ever had 1 FO who after reading the rest off from memory when given the 7800 just said "bog off you piss taking porridge wog"

I really enjoyed flying with him for two weeks. It stimulated me into thinking theory and basic principles again.

Andy go and search for transponder theory. Honest If I just tell you straight you will have forgotten it within a week. If you go and look it up you will think "piss taking porridge wog" and remember it for life.

[Gulfstreamaviator]

78 or 69

I loved the 78 reference.


I used to teach 69, was used if one was going down................


flasher-mac already on..... glf

[Andy_P]

Originally Posted by mad_jock

true but they do fall for it most of the time.

I have only ever had 1 FO who after reading the rest off from memory when given the 7800 just said "bog off you piss taking porridge wog"

I really enjoyed flying with him for two weeks. It stimulated me into thinking theory and basic principles again.

Keep that attitude, cause it just prompted me to learn something new. A lot of this stuff is not mentioned in the theory books, so a little prod from some with experience helps to broaden knowledge.

I am a naturally curious person, so I would probably learn this stuff on my own at some point, but I get a buzz from figuring it out when prompted!

[mad_jock]

Cracking Gulf, going to use that one when we are reviewing emergency descents.

Andy its really is the best way to teach someone, prod them in the right direction then if they still don't get it or have miss understood only then sit down and teach it. And the feeling of success having found it out for themselves is an added bonus, it also stimulates them to learn more because they enjoy that feeling and also the praise from the instructor for getting it right.

[Crash one]

I read the 7800 bit & then let the dog out, thinking "how the hell do you get 8 on it?". Haggis yaffling git! You got me there for a bit! I don't have one so I'm trying to remember it. Must keep up.

[gemma10]

Seems like I must keep up as well. Embarrased.

[mad_jock]

I hope you took it in the humour manner that it was intended Gemma.

Anyway if you have a shot at finding out yourself then if you have any questions you can PM me and I will help out.

[Pace]

6900 is the do not disturb code

[Pace]

6900 is the do not disturb code

[mad_jock]

Its Ok pace readability 5, no need to say again.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Humour aside for a moment, I've noted a few threads here and on the Flyer forum about RT failures - each time the pilot, usually relatively inexperienced, has clearly been fairly unnerved by the experience, and did not seem to have been totally clear about whether they'd done the right thing or not.

Okay, I'm an old fart who did his first solo non-radio anyhow. However, I still fly non-radio from time to time, and was taught adequately in my opinion how to deal with these (non) events.


So when did that change? Have we really got a generation of FIs now who just aren't teaching their students how to cope in the air without a voice at the end of the line - or who are passing out the message that RT helps aeroplanes fly?

After all, the number of threads we're seeing clearly shows (what I think that hairy ar*ed olduns like myself and the deranged Caledonian knew already) that radios do fail from time to time, so nobody should really be that surprised by it.

G

[AberdeenAngus]

Wait a few years then see what happens when the GPS packs in

[gemma10]

It was a good Gotcha. Taken light heartedly-I will go and stand in the corner! Or sit in the cockpit and twiddle with the knobs.

[mad_jock]

So when did that change? Have we really got a generation of FIs now who just aren't teaching their students how to cope in the air without a voice at the end of the line - or who are passing out the message that RT helps aeroplanes fly?

About sums it up.

The FI's will poo themselves never mind the student.

And as GPS becomes more prevalent in training aircraft as AA states there will be more and more who have never flown without the GPS being the sole navigation means for all intent and purposes.

I think the days of those of us that turn the sod off while in class G are numbered.

The look of horror when doing a check ride for SEP my actions for an Alternator failure were to turn the master switch off and continue to enjoy the flight and then when returning to land turn it back on were rather amusing from a 400 hour FI. In the end his only valid point was we wouldn't have time to fix it before the next lesson. But he was rather confused and somewhat hurt when I told him he was talking pish about an alternator failure being worthy of a mayday on a day VFR flight in class G.

[Genghis the Engineer]

But he was rather confused and somewhat hurt when I told him he was talking pish about an alternator failure being worthy of a mayday on a day VFR flight in class G.

You should have heard Scottish the day I had an alternator failure inbound to EGPK and told them that I was turning the transponder off and might lose the radio if the battery gave out.

I'm sure that controllers are supposed to be calming down worried pilots, not the reverse.

G

[mad_jock]

Don't know why I have been cleared to land via mobile at PIK refuelled and then departed again none radio after a hand swing. By the time I got up north there was still enough juice after shutting down to start the old girl.

I might add I was using Scottish info and PIK approach only. I think PIK I was interrupting the archers so if I was happy they were happy.

Hand swinging is another procedure that the majority of FI's will poo themselves when they hear it mentioned. I used to go for days when the starter was broken until the next 50 hour check was due.

[Piper.Classique]

Had our radio go TU in Poland a while back, just before we gave in to the airspace dragons and got a transponder.
The return journey to France was a bit of a zig zag but one managed, with a certain amount of PPR by phone. Including the arrival at Nancy Essey in thousand foot overcast rain, with the warm front arriving ahead of schedule. We had carrier wave and intermittent receive and the controller was, unasked, and very helpfully, gettting us to transmit for QDM.
As it happened we were on track, but it was a good thought!
So were the runway lights and parking next to the entrance.
Twere more than a bit damp. The cub spent two weeks in a heated hangar waiting for the next VFR wx at a weekend (non radio through the military zones)
No charge.

Handswinging...... six months of that while we waited for a new starter motor. With shower of sparks mags.......

This FI don't poo herself with a radio failure

[Steve6443]

a handy way I learned to remember the numbers
75 = 7500

75 - Man Alive
76 - In a Fix
77 - On the way to Heaven

I learnt a similar thing:

75: Man with a knife

76: hear nix (german for nothing)

77: trouble in heaven