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I can well remember picking up a Cessna 150 for the owner! the aircraft had not one bit of navigation kit available apart from the radio.
I took off VFR in VMC but seeing a front covering the hills decided to follow a river which I knew took me to within a mile of the destination field.
I took off with 1000 foot cloud base in light rain and approx 5000 meters in rain keeping the river below and on my left!
Soon the cloud was down to 600 feet and visibility down to 3000 meters.
Shortly after that I was down at 400 feet agl cloud base 400 feet in heavy rain vis approx 1500 meters.
Again i had the river on my left and knew by being over the river I would not hit anything.
I threw in the towel when I was again forced down to 200 feet visibility down to 700 meters and scud cloud below the aircraft.
Time to climb into IMC and the SSA which I did expecting a PAR into a military base.
I never took the PAR as I burst out of the front with 15 miles to run.
Yes we all do it at some point! or at least some of us do!
Some of us are even still here to tell the tale
Pace
I took off VFR in VMC but seeing a front covering the hills decided to follow a river which I knew took me to within a mile of the destination field.
I took off with 1000 foot cloud base in light rain and approx 5000 meters in rain keeping the river below and on my left!
Soon the cloud was down to 600 feet and visibility down to 3000 meters.
Shortly after that I was down at 400 feet agl cloud base 400 feet in heavy rain vis approx 1500 meters.
Again i had the river on my left and knew by being over the river I would not hit anything.
I threw in the towel when I was again forced down to 200 feet visibility down to 700 meters and scud cloud below the aircraft.
Time to climb into IMC and the SSA which I did expecting a PAR into a military base.
I never took the PAR as I burst out of the front with 15 miles to run.
Yes we all do it at some point! or at least some of us do!
Some of us are even still here to tell the tale
Pace
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I remember having a discussion with a lecturer at university once, I think the subject was some aspect of building surveying, the particular topic was freehold land. We were taught (and this's as close as I can remember to his words) 'The freeholder of any land owns the land and 500ft of airspace above it, which is why aircraft aren't allowed below 500ft.'
I then repeated my recently memorised version of rule 5, particularly the part about person, vessel, vehicle or structure and pointed out that I had recently been taught that the 'within' wording meant I could fly within 10ft of the land if it had nothing but grass within 500ft slant of the aircraft. I was subsequently faced with a barrage of 'the CAA is wrong'.
Totally irrelevant to the thread but thought I'd share that little experience...
I then repeated my recently memorised version of rule 5, particularly the part about person, vessel, vehicle or structure and pointed out that I had recently been taught that the 'within' wording meant I could fly within 10ft of the land if it had nothing but grass within 500ft slant of the aircraft. I was subsequently faced with a barrage of 'the CAA is wrong'.
Totally irrelevant to the thread but thought I'd share that little experience...
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hotcloud will say he was never scud running below 500 ft, in breach of Rule 5, and I will always say the aircraft I saw was?
As this spanner is so intent on pedantry, let's try another tack.
After you've taken -off.....what is the final conclusion of the flight?
the 500 foot rule does not apply to takeoff and landing. I submit that, having taken-off and reached his intended cruise altitude, the pilot 's next phase of flight would be to land.......perhaps that's when "spanner" saw the aircraft?-when it was on approach to land?
I don't se a huge number of corroborative witness-statements, from this slow-moving convoy of motor-vehicles,of which, strangely noneof the occupants are awareof , or post on, PPrune.....funny, that.
Take a gander at the "history and nausostalgia" threads
the most arcane subjects bring a load of first-time posters out of the woodwork....but , this vitalsafety issue, this near-catastrophy.....not a sausage....bugger all, zilch....from all those blind motorists, lorry drivers and outraged of Purley who failed to see and act in the public interest.
Perhaps we should be lauding Mr. Spanner for his public-spiritid actions?
In Germany we have a word for people like Spanner: Blockwart.
Inbalance
In Nazi Germany, a Blockleiter (block leader) was the lowest official of the NSDAP, responsible for the political supervision of a neighborhood or city block and formed the link between the NSDAP and the general population. Also colloquially known as a Blockwart (block attendant or warden), he was charged with planning, spreading propaganda and developing an acceptance to the policies of the NSDAP among the households (typically 40 to 60) in his area.
It was also the duty of the Blockleiter to spy on the population and report any anti-Nazi activities to the local Gestapo office; this allowed a Nazi terror state. This was helped by keeping files on each household (Haushaltskarten). Due to such activities, Blockwarts were particularly disliked by the general population. Other duties included allocating beds in homes for visiting NSDAP demonstrators, the collection of subscriptions and charitable donations especially for Winterhilfe and organising the clearing of rubble after air-raids. It is thought that there were nearly half a million Blockleiter.
Today, Blockwart is a colloquial German insult word for a person who feels the motivation to keep people in line, esp. by reporting them to officials or pressing the enforcing of rules (esp. petty rules) upon people.
It was also the duty of the Blockleiter to spy on the population and report any anti-Nazi activities to the local Gestapo office; this allowed a Nazi terror state. This was helped by keeping files on each household (Haushaltskarten). Due to such activities, Blockwarts were particularly disliked by the general population. Other duties included allocating beds in homes for visiting NSDAP demonstrators, the collection of subscriptions and charitable donations especially for Winterhilfe and organising the clearing of rubble after air-raids. It is thought that there were nearly half a million Blockleiter.
Today, Blockwart is a colloquial German insult word for a person who feels the motivation to keep people in line, esp. by reporting them to officials or pressing the enforcing of rules (esp. petty rules) upon people.
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Hey Spanner old Chap,
Even if you do drive an Audi, well they are quite a good car, but before you get on to the nasty comments again .... just a few questions:-
Were you ever a prefect at your School, or possibly a senior Milk Monitor, for you really are acting like one, shoe lace undone, coller not quite right along with clinc specs and palm trees.
I 'll just like to bet you work for the HMG, pssibly a snoop for the DWp, sorry to be late redressing the insult aimed at me, but I have been very busy helping the Old Soldiers, the sort who came home and just got on with their life, possibly a lesson there for you old boy.
Peter R-B
Even if you do drive an Audi, well they are quite a good car, but before you get on to the nasty comments again .... just a few questions:-
Were you ever a prefect at your School, or possibly a senior Milk Monitor, for you really are acting like one, shoe lace undone, coller not quite right along with clinc specs and palm trees.
I 'll just like to bet you work for the HMG, pssibly a snoop for the DWp, sorry to be late redressing the insult aimed at me, but I have been very busy helping the Old Soldiers, the sort who came home and just got on with their life, possibly a lesson there for you old boy.
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Ok, head bowed, hands clasped in front of me, I adopt a grave expression and somberly begin to chant:
do not feed the troll.....
Hey, anyone taking odds whether this thread can get to 10 pages length......
do not feed the troll.....
Hey, anyone taking odds whether this thread can get to 10 pages length......
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In Germany we have a word for people like Spanner: Blockwart
It's outrageous that you would actually have to employ someone to annoy the **** out of their neighbours , grassing them up for misdemeanours and repeatedly banging on their door to pony up for dubious causes. That would never happen in this country.
It's outrageous that you would actually have to employ someone to annoy the **** out of their neighbours , grassing them up for misdemeanours and repeatedly banging on their door to pony up for dubious causes. That would never happen in this country.
That would never happen in this country.
This Spanner guy is akting like a real Blockwart and he is obviously British.
So why canīt this happen in your country?
In Germany it was called the GESTAPO, in East Germany the Staatssicherheitsdienst.
In Russia it was the KGB.
In the US it is the TSA aund the NSA.
They donīt care about any law.
They are spying on thier own population as well, not on foreigners only.
That with the help of the british.
Coalition of the 5 eyes spring to my mind.
The difference between germany and other countrys is, we have been there and we have learned our lessons.
GB is loosing its freedom without noticing it.
https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying
UK ?spied on Angela Merkel? from Berlin rooftop - GERMANY-UK - FRANCE 24
NSA-leak hard drives ruined as agents watched, Guardian says - World - CBC News
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Hi Inbalance,
Re washing cars or cutting garden grass on Sundays, is'nt that the sort of thing that ordinary neighbours in Germany complain about to the local Politzi...? only asking , I dont really want to steal the show from our cog breaker...
Peter R-B
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Re washing cars or cutting garden grass on Sundays, is'nt that the sort of thing that ordinary neighbours in Germany complain about to the local Politzi...? only asking , I dont really want to steal the show from our cog breaker...
Peter R-B
Lancashire
Yes, we still have some of those people. But we have them under control, because we know what damage they can do.
It is like in every country.
It is a mixture of different people, but the percentage of arseholes always stays the same.
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Inbalance
It is like in every country.
It is a mixture of different people, but the percentage of arseholes always stays the same.
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Spanner
Your last comment seems very apt:
"Read the ANO and then engage your brain!"
Had you thought of doing that yourself?
I have tried to remain balanced in what I have said so far but I have to say you are making it difficult.....
Your last comment seems very apt:
"Read the ANO and then engage your brain!"
Had you thought of doing that yourself?
I have tried to remain balanced in what I have said so far but I have to say you are making it difficult.....
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[quoteGB is loosing its freedom without noticing it.][/quote]
Inbalance, some of us are very aware of it, and some of us work away, trying to keep out of the Corporate Cannibals clutches. Not easy
Maybe one day the mindless mass in Europe will awake, to find that it was all too late
Inbalance, some of us are very aware of it, and some of us work away, trying to keep out of the Corporate Cannibals clutches. Not easy
Maybe one day the mindless mass in Europe will awake, to find that it was all too late
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So why can´t this happen in your country
I guess you missed my point, the reason you would not have employ people to do it in this country is there is a healthy portion of the populace who would eagerly jump into the role described with unbridled enthusiasm and without the need for remuneration.
I guess you missed my point, the reason you would not have employ people to do it in this country is there is a healthy portion of the populace who would eagerly jump into the role described with unbridled enthusiasm and without the need for remuneration.
Ah,
yes it seems that I have missed your point.
In germany they didnīt have to employ them in the beginning.
But soon they gave them a uniform and some bling bling.
I have rented an apartment near the airport for standby and short turn over.
The woman in the first floor is acting like a blockwart.
She is unemployed, uneducated and has nothing to be proud of.
I am suspicous to her, because she donīt know anything about me.
I am leaving my home at irregular times and my car is way to big for this residential area.
Saw her one day when she picked my waste out of the waste bin to check it.
Yes, we still have some people like that, but nobody listens to them.
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Inbalance
yes it seems that I have missed your point.
In germany they didnīt have to employ them in the beginning.
But soon they gave them a uniform and some bling bling.
I have rented an apartment near the airport for standby and short turn over.
The woman in the first floor is acting like a blockwart.
She is unemployed, uneducated and has nothing to be proud of.
I am suspicous to her, because she donīt know anything about me.
I am leaving my home at irregular times and my car is way to big for this residential area.
Saw her one day when she picked my waste out of the waste bin to check it.
Yes, we still have some people like that, but nobody listens to them.
regards
Inbalance