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Please see below an email that has been sent to a senior Manager at Barton.
"You may be aware of the thread on Pprune, Ref:" Motorway flying". In a nutshell, are you able to obtain a trace from Hawarden, Liverpool or Manchester of my flight on the 2nd of November 2013 over the lunchtime period. The aircraft flown was G-AWPU and the exercise undertaken was operation at minimum level. The route started at Barton and the first leg was to Leigh Flash. The next leg took us to the Wigan flashes, after that we circumnavigated Wigan to the east and then flew west between Wigan and Standish. At the Gathurst junction I then followed the railway line to Burscough. At Burscough I then headed south to the M58 (Junction 3). I then tracked east to the M6 junction and then followed the the M6 south to the junction at the M62. At the M62 I then followed the motorway back to Barton.
I have already received the ATIS information during the flight period from the control tower, and therefore a trace of the flight would be much appreciated, if that is possible. There is no doubt whatsoever that I was on the above route and I feel that I need to prove this to a certain gentleman that claims I could not have been on the route I described. Also I would be grateful if you could obtain the METAR's at the local airports, if possible.
Feel free to contact me, should you wish to discuss any matters.
Regards"
I shall not post again until such time I have further evidence regarding the flight.
"You may be aware of the thread on Pprune, Ref:" Motorway flying". In a nutshell, are you able to obtain a trace from Hawarden, Liverpool or Manchester of my flight on the 2nd of November 2013 over the lunchtime period. The aircraft flown was G-AWPU and the exercise undertaken was operation at minimum level. The route started at Barton and the first leg was to Leigh Flash. The next leg took us to the Wigan flashes, after that we circumnavigated Wigan to the east and then flew west between Wigan and Standish. At the Gathurst junction I then followed the railway line to Burscough. At Burscough I then headed south to the M58 (Junction 3). I then tracked east to the M6 junction and then followed the the M6 south to the junction at the M62. At the M62 I then followed the motorway back to Barton.
I have already received the ATIS information during the flight period from the control tower, and therefore a trace of the flight would be much appreciated, if that is possible. There is no doubt whatsoever that I was on the above route and I feel that I need to prove this to a certain gentleman that claims I could not have been on the route I described. Also I would be grateful if you could obtain the METAR's at the local airports, if possible.
Feel free to contact me, should you wish to discuss any matters.
Regards"
I shall not post again until such time I have further evidence regarding the flight.
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Not sure, but I will do my best to get the information.
Best if I don't post until I am in receipt of further evidence. I understand that "Spanner in the werks" has been advised not to post and I therefore wish to respect that position by not posting either until such time I am in receipt of further information.
Not sure, but I will do my best to get the information.
Best if I don't post until I am in receipt of further evidence. I understand that "Spanner in the werks" has been advised not to post and I therefore wish to respect that position by not posting either until such time I am in receipt of further information.
Warton might provide a better trace, however, I suspect the low alt may preclude anything useful from any of the mentioned radar units. ( I am not having a pop but from previous experience even being below 1500' might not provide a usable trace)
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Hot cloud,
I wouldn't bother posting again whether you receive further info or not, it's pretty obvious to any rational or sane reader that the OP for whatever reason got ahead of himself and raised a ruckus over nothing not expecting any response, when one was received in a logical and reasonable manner the OP can't stomach withdrawing or back pedalling and instead appears intend on heading directly for Australasia by means of manual excavation.
I wouldn't bother posting again whether you receive further info or not, it's pretty obvious to any rational or sane reader that the OP for whatever reason got ahead of himself and raised a ruckus over nothing not expecting any response, when one was received in a logical and reasonable manner the OP can't stomach withdrawing or back pedalling and instead appears intend on heading directly for Australasia by means of manual excavation.
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how likely do you think it is that you will get this information? (trace/mode c)
ATC investigated using mode c data and acoustic monitoring data and the lowest I went to was 596' AGL....
Then we can all feed someone some humble pie!
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Is G-AWPU fitted with a MODE C transponder? If so, was it squawking with MODE C during this flight?
If a radar trace cannot be obtained from EGCC/EGGP or EGNO, it may be worth asking the Barton management to contact NATS at Prestwick Centre. They should still have access to the radar data from St.Annes and Clee Hill, which, although distant from the area where these events occurred provide good low-level coverage. Do act fast though. I can't remember offhand how long the recordings are kept for. Scottish Centre should also have the data from the Manchester Approach radar, which they composite with the 2 radars already mentioned for use by the TMA sectors.
Safe flying as always.
If a radar trace cannot be obtained from EGCC/EGGP or EGNO, it may be worth asking the Barton management to contact NATS at Prestwick Centre. They should still have access to the radar data from St.Annes and Clee Hill, which, although distant from the area where these events occurred provide good low-level coverage. Do act fast though. I can't remember offhand how long the recordings are kept for. Scottish Centre should also have the data from the Manchester Approach radar, which they composite with the 2 radars already mentioned for use by the TMA sectors.
Safe flying as always.
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how likely do you think it is that you will get this information? (trace/mode c)
ATC investigated using mode c data and acoustic monitoring data and the lowest I went to was 596' AGL....
Then we can all feed someone some humble pie!
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I suspect Spanner is merely complying with a request from a moderator not to post again...
But it may be more sinister than that after all Spanner is clearly a blind, paranoid jobsworth, only fit to be ignored and/or ridiculed...
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FTAOD the sentence above ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is not serious.
The irony of pillorying Spanner in this thread isn't lost on me.
But it may be more sinister than that after all Spanner is clearly a blind, paranoid jobsworth, only fit to be ignored and/or ridiculed...
.FTAOD the sentence above ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is not serious.
The irony of pillorying Spanner in this thread isn't lost on me.
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I suspect Spanner is merely complying with a request from a moderator not to post again..
Whether you agree with what he wrote or not (I don't) and even if he has conducted the subsequent debate stupidly as I personally think he has, he should have the right to express his opinion, right or wrong.
If the mods think the thread has crossed the line, they can lock it as they have in many other cases.
My £.02
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Its more likely they have contacted the CAA and the enforcement branch have told them not to post any more public comment in case it effects there evidence in court.
Then of course if it proved that they were incorrect the Pilot can take them to court for deformation.
Then of course if it proved that they were incorrect the Pilot can take them to court for deformation.
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Sorry, but that's a bit of a stretch. He has expressed an opinion: yes, he has done it badly and no, I for one don't agree with him, but he has broken no law.
Sorry, but that's a bit of a stretch. He has expressed an opinion: yes, he has done it badly and no, I for one don't agree with him, but he has broken no law.