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Old 5th Dec 2018, 15:57
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Thought I would check this is still valid - flying a G reg (3-axis) microlight using a UK issued EASA CPL, in the UK?

My old brown licence had my weightshift hours in/on it - but no idea where it now is!
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 18:05
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My view would be - get checked out by a suitably qualified instructor, have him sign off microlight differences training in your logbook, then good practice is met, and you don't need to think hard about whether the legalities were necessary or not (but I think that they were).

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Old 5th Dec 2018, 18:43
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Presumably you have a valid SEP on the CPL, in which case logbook evidence of 3 axis differences training is required. Your weightshift experience doesn't count for 3 axis microlights.
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 19:01
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Whilst GTE's advice is very valid, just to understand and more and replying to PS: My SEP stuff is all good, but does my current 3 axis experience (about 40 hrs/year) with my French microlight licence count as 'logbook evidence'? Got an Avid 4 - can't recommend it enough!
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 19:18
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So let me make sure I'm not missing anything... you can fly a single seat 3 axis microlight as an unregulated aircraft in the uk without a licence, but a PPL /CPL/ ATPL holder with however many hours on 3 axis aircraft needs differences training to fly a 3 axis microlight? Years ago SEP had an upper weight limit but no lower weight limit. When did that change?
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 21:16
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... you can fly a single seat 3 axis microlight as an unregulated aircraft in the uk without a licence
No, you can't. SSDR refers to the certification status of the aircraft, the pilot still needs to be licensed.

does my current 3 axis experience (about 40 hrs/year) with my French microlight licence count as 'logbook evidence'?
Probably? ANO Schedule 8, Part 2, Chapt 2
(3) If the aeroplane has
(a)three axis controls and the holder’s previous training and experience has only been in an aeroplane with flexwing or weightshift controls;
(b)flexwing or weightshift controls and the holder’s previous training and experience has only been in an aeroplane with three axis controls; or
(c)more than one engine,
before exercising the privileges of the rating the holder must complete appropriate differences training.

(4) The differences training mentioned in paragraph (3) must be given by a flight instructor entitled to instruct on the aeroplane on which the training is being given, recorded in the holder’s personal flying logbook and endorsed and signed by the instructor conducting the training.
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 10:47
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Well, I guess the issuance of a French microlight licence demonstrates perfectly:

(4) The differences training mentioned in paragraph (3) must be given by a flight instructor entitled to instruct on the aeroplane on which the training is being given, recorded in the holder’s personal flying logbook and endorsed and signed by the instructor conducting the training.
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 17:30
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On a similar theme, I currently fly light (LAA permit) aircraft on a LAPL (A).

I understand that "Article 150 of ANO 2016 requires the holder of an EASA licence with a valid Single Engine Piston Class Rating to complete differences training with an appropriately qualified Instructor prior to flying as pilot in command of a microlight aeroplane. This includes three axis microlights as well as weightshift microlights."

However, my question is, does this differences training have to take place after the issue of the LAPL (A) or does it still count if it took place earlier?

My differences training to three axis microlights took place many years ago when I had a CAA PPL(A). I subsequently became a microlight instructor for three years, although I only flew three axis microlights.

However, I have not flown a three axis microlight for several years. Do I have to do differences training again to fly a three axis microlight on my LAPL(A)?

PS It might be sensible anyway, particularly in an unfamiliar type, but I am unsure of the legal position.

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Old 12th Dec 2018, 12:49
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We are now into a Mish Mash of UK and EASA regulations. Differences training for an EASA Class rating is covered in FCL.710
If the variant has not been flown within a period of 2 years following the differences training, further differences training or a proficiency check in that variant shall be required to maintain the privileges, except for types or variants within the single-engine piston and TMG class ratings.
Of course there is no Class Rating in a LAPL but the inference is that if your experience predates the licence or rating you have grandfather rights.
Art 150 requires:
(6) A Part-FCL licence with single-engine piston aeroplane privileges is not deemed to be rendered valid for a microlight aeroplane unless the holder of the licence has undergone differences training in accordance with Chapter 2 of Part 2 of Schedule 8, appropriate for a microlight aeroplane class rating.
Ch2 Part 2 States:
Microlight class rating
(1) Subject to paragraphs (2) to (6) and to the conditions of the licence in which it is included, a microlight class rating entitles the holder to act as pilot in command of any microlight aeroplane.
(2) If the current certificate of revalidation for the rating is endorsed “single seat only” the holder is only entitled to act as pilot in command of any single seat microlight aeroplane.
(3) If the aeroplane has—
(a) three axis controls and the holder’s previous training and experience has only been in an aeroplane with flexwing or weightshift controls;
(b) flexwing or weightshift controls and the holder’s previous training and experience has only been in an aeroplane with three axis controls; or
(c) more than one engine,
before exercising the privileges of the rating the holder must complete appropriate differences training.
(4) The differences training mentioned in paragraph (3) must be given by a flight instructor entitled to instruct on the aeroplane on which the training is being given, recorded in the holder’s personal flying logbook and endorsed and signed by the instructor conducting the training.
There is no mention of any time limit for this training so as long as you have log book evidence of having legally flown the variant then that should suffice.
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Old 12th Dec 2018, 12:51
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Also no geographical/jurisdiction limit, so your Thai flexwing sign-off counts! (for example)
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Old 12th Dec 2018, 22:41
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Originally Posted by Whopity View Post
We are now into a Mish Mash of UK and EASA regulations. Differences training for an EASA Class rating is covered in FCL.710 Of course there is no Class Rating in a LAPL but the inference is that if your experience predates the licence or rating you have grandfather rights.
Art 150 requires: Ch2 Part 2 States:
There is no mention of any time limit for this training so as long as you have log book evidence of having legally flown the variant then that should suffice.
Thank you very much!
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