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If Scotland went independent, it would become a social dump which would make Mid Wales look like Dubai - unless it could grab the oil revenues, and the UK govt will never allow that.
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No D.O.
That bit is called the highland resticted area.
They have Alba on the sign as you go over the border heading north anyway.
That bit is called the highland resticted area.
They have Alba on the sign as you go over the border heading north anyway.
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Does anybody seriously believe Scotland will become a separate country?
ISTM, speaking to many Scots over the years, that nobody with a brain wants that and that it is just a gravy train for people who cannot do real work and who have gone into politics for the status, the benefits, and the chips on their shoulders (like most of Brussels).
If Scotland went independent, it would become a social dump which would make Mid Wales look like Dubai - unless it could grab the oil revenues, and the UK govt will never allow that.
ISTM, speaking to many Scots over the years, that nobody with a brain wants that and that it is just a gravy train for people who cannot do real work and who have gone into politics for the status, the benefits, and the chips on their shoulders (like most of Brussels).
If Scotland went independent, it would become a social dump which would make Mid Wales look like Dubai - unless it could grab the oil revenues, and the UK govt will never allow that.
.There have been (real) missiles and guns fitted to my SA Bulldog in the past - I'm sure we'd be happy to fit them again
. Unfortunately we removed the wiring looms to save weight but we've still got the trigger and selection knobs - and since it would only be a deterrent anyway as the SNP don't like real weapons - I think it would suit perfectly 
http://www.sabulldogsusa.com/photos/31yP7_20110321.jpg
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Allocations of aircraft registrations and callsigns are managed by the International Civil Aviation Organisation, so it won't be anything to do with OFCOM, at least as far as aircraft are concerned.
The ITU will allocate the country prefix for Scotland (should this independence ever come to be) through ICAO to the national aviation authority. Don't see why this couldn't be 'S', as no one else currently uses that letter on its own.
The ITU will allocate the country prefix for Scotland (should this independence ever come to be) through ICAO to the national aviation authority. Don't see why this couldn't be 'S', as no one else currently uses that letter on its own.
I'm pretty sure it wont happen! I'm Scottish ( although prefer saying British) dont personally know a single Scottish supporter for independance, I know plenty English supporters for it though! Although, if that big fat bag of wind - Salmond gets his way and the 16yr old kids of chavs get a vote then...
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I think youngskywalker has got it right.
Unfortunately there are some quite pro supporters in some bits of scotland with alot of rubbish "freedom" type chat.
Personally I think the 16 year old chav thing will balance out by the idiots not actually voting and the silent resonably educated/well brought up kids being taken to vote by there parents.
The whole logistics of seperating the systems I don't think has been thought through properly. Never mind the legal position of Scotland afterwards.
If the rest of the UK was allowed to vote as well scotland would be stuffed and out, but I suspect a load of money will be pissed up the wall. And even after the vote there will be alot of bitching if they don't get it. And if they do within 10 years there will be some sort of calamity.
Have to see what arrangements are going to be in place for the ex-pats. If they get to vote they haven't got a chance in hell of getting it through.
Unfortunately there are some quite pro supporters in some bits of scotland with alot of rubbish "freedom" type chat.
Personally I think the 16 year old chav thing will balance out by the idiots not actually voting and the silent resonably educated/well brought up kids being taken to vote by there parents.
The whole logistics of seperating the systems I don't think has been thought through properly. Never mind the legal position of Scotland afterwards.
If the rest of the UK was allowed to vote as well scotland would be stuffed and out, but I suspect a load of money will be pissed up the wall. And even after the vote there will be alot of bitching if they don't get it. And if they do within 10 years there will be some sort of calamity.
Have to see what arrangements are going to be in place for the ex-pats. If they get to vote they haven't got a chance in hell of getting it through.
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And IF they do succeed then I'm off! Yorkshire I reckon, 'appen I'd like that. 
The whole subject does sadden me greatly however. A small minority of hardliners are making all the noise, the media down south are stirring it up to sound like we're all still a bunch of 'whinging rebellious jocks'. Take a read of some of the unbelievably biggoted threads about this on the mil' forum and see what I mean. I grow tired of it all. Scotland has served the Union well over the centuries and I'm sure it will continue to do so when comon sense prevails and Salmond dissapears into obscurity taking that odious women - Sturgeon with him.
The whole subject does sadden me greatly however. A small minority of hardliners are making all the noise, the media down south are stirring it up to sound like we're all still a bunch of 'whinging rebellious jocks'. Take a read of some of the unbelievably biggoted threads about this on the mil' forum and see what I mean. I grow tired of it all. Scotland has served the Union well over the centuries and I'm sure it will continue to do so when comon sense prevails and Salmond dissapears into obscurity taking that odious women - Sturgeon with him.
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If it does go through he will leg it to the european parliment (if they get in and I would wet myself laughing if they didn't and cheer at the same time.)
Then when it comes crashing down he will say its not his fault.
H'mm would we have to get another passport? Would we get to run two?
Then when it comes crashing down he will say its not his fault.
H'mm would we have to get another passport? Would we get to run two?
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I claim no originality for the following which I found on-line, but it does give a starting point for Scottish RT.
CAP 413 – Scottish Supplement
Acknowledge- Djaunnerstawn pal?
Affirmative Aye atsrite
Break Haudoan
Correction Aw$hit
How do you read? Ye got yer lugs oan?
I say again Wan-mer-time pal
Negative No-way pal
Over Over-innat
Out Am-oaf
Pass your message Geez-ra-patter
Read back Whit-did-ah-jist tell-ye?
Roger Okay pal
Say again Geez-ra-patter again
Speak slower Geez-it-in-inglish
Stand by Haud-oan-ahm-bizzy
That is correct Spot-oan / Thats-ra-game
Verify Yer-jokin
Wilco Nae-borra
Words twice Ah-cannae-unner-stawn, geez-ra-patter twice-ower
Cleared to land Get-oan-ra-grunn
Line up and hold Haudoan ra-tar
Cleared take off Oan-yer bike / Oan-yer way-pal
CAP 413 – Scottish Supplement
Acknowledge- Djaunnerstawn pal?
Affirmative Aye atsrite
Break Haudoan
Correction Aw$hit
How do you read? Ye got yer lugs oan?
I say again Wan-mer-time pal
Negative No-way pal
Over Over-innat
Out Am-oaf
Pass your message Geez-ra-patter
Read back Whit-did-ah-jist tell-ye?
Roger Okay pal
Say again Geez-ra-patter again
Speak slower Geez-it-in-inglish
Stand by Haud-oan-ahm-bizzy
That is correct Spot-oan / Thats-ra-game
Verify Yer-jokin
Wilco Nae-borra
Words twice Ah-cannae-unner-stawn, geez-ra-patter twice-ower
Cleared to land Get-oan-ra-grunn
Line up and hold Haudoan ra-tar
Cleared take off Oan-yer bike / Oan-yer way-pal
Don't see why this couldn't be 'S', as no one else currently uses that letter on its own.
The block SAA-SZZ, however, is divided between Sweden, Poland, Egypt, Sudan and Greece and no country may therefore use S as a single-letter prefix.
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And IF they do succeed then I'm off! Yorkshire I reckon, 'appen I'd like
that.
The whole subject does sadden me greatly however. A small minority of hardliners
are making all the noise, the media down south are stirring it up to sound like
we're all still a bunch of 'whinging rebellious jocks'. Take a read of some of
the unbelievably biggoted threads about this on the mil' forum and see what I
mean. I grow tired of it all. Scotland has served the Union well over the
centuries and I'm sure it will continue to do so when comon sense prevails and
Salmond dissapears into obscurity taking that odious women - Sturgeon with
him.
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I don't see the harm in the English CAA continuing to administer aviation matters for an independent Scotland.
After all, there will be so many other English agencies/companies doing the same. The tax revenues from working Scots (there aren't many of them, are there?) are hardly going to sustain the infrastructure paid for, built and maintained at English expense over generations.
On the other hand, perhaps they'll really try to go it alone. Then, as the money runs out, things will break, everything will be knackered and Scotland will end up in the same sorry state that all the English colonies in Africa did after they cut the strings.
After all, there will be so many other English agencies/companies doing the same. The tax revenues from working Scots (there aren't many of them, are there?) are hardly going to sustain the infrastructure paid for, built and maintained at English expense over generations.
On the other hand, perhaps they'll really try to go it alone. Then, as the money runs out, things will break, everything will be knackered and Scotland will end up in the same sorry state that all the English colonies in Africa did after they cut the strings.
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So let me get this right.
The English invade Scotland, and occupy it for hundreds of years, take their oil reserves and take over all public institutions.
Then when the Scottish finially have their independence in sight again, the English are surprised that the Scotts might have some difficulty getting things up and running again
And to just to make sure that the Scotts will have difficulty being self sufficient, the English will be hanging onto the oil reserves off the Scottish coast, for no other reason other than that they are too valuable to give back to the Scottish.
I can see plenty of reasons why there *should* be some subsidy from England to Scotland until they get themselves up and running as an independent country again.
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The English invade Scotland, and occupy it for hundreds of years, take their oil reserves and take over all public institutions.
Then when the Scottish finially have their independence in sight again, the English are surprised that the Scotts might have some difficulty getting things up and running again
And to just to make sure that the Scotts will have difficulty being self sufficient, the English will be hanging onto the oil reserves off the Scottish coast, for no other reason other than that they are too valuable to give back to the Scottish.
I can see plenty of reasons why there *should* be some subsidy from England to Scotland until they get themselves up and running as an independent country again.
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Don't forget that the Shetlanders will in turn want independence from Scotland (why not Alex, you started it)
And it's not Scotland's oil it's mostly Shetland's oil!
But we're going off topic here. If Scotland can't have S-REG, then I still vote for MJ-REG
p.s. Dublinpilot, Scotts make the porridge. Scots come from Scotland
And it's not Scotland's oil it's mostly Shetland's oil!
But we're going off topic here. If Scotland can't have S-REG, then I still vote for MJ-REG
p.s. Dublinpilot, Scotts make the porridge. Scots come from Scotland
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The problem with that reasoning, DP, is that you then roll back 99% of national frontiers to some arbitrary locations, 99% of museums in the west would be emptied (with the contents going back to the "savages" who will sell it off to private collectors in the west)... you get my drift I am sure 
We have to work with the frontiers as they stand today.
I come from Czechoslovakia, where nobody wants to grab back the bit of Slovakia which the Russians grabbed in WW2. And just as well the Germans don't want to grab back their old bits
Scotland is in the UK. It's also (like Wales) a rather poor part of the UK, relying heavily on subsidies. Half the place is an impoverished council estate (like Wales). Same with N Ireland. But one could say the same for any country. In the USA, I am sure California is massively subsidising the rest, especially e.g. Utah.
But tongue in cheek aside, I can't see Scotland going independent. It would work if they get the oil, but when that runs out, some decades from now, the place will sink into a hole, with massive emigration, and much of the population will be on the English council house waiting list (along with Romania, allegedly...).
We have to work with the frontiers as they stand today.
I come from Czechoslovakia, where nobody wants to grab back the bit of Slovakia which the Russians grabbed in WW2. And just as well the Germans don't want to grab back their old bits
Scotland is in the UK. It's also (like Wales) a rather poor part of the UK, relying heavily on subsidies. Half the place is an impoverished council estate (like Wales). Same with N Ireland. But one could say the same for any country. In the USA, I am sure California is massively subsidising the rest, especially e.g. Utah.
But tongue in cheek aside, I can't see Scotland going independent. It would work if they get the oil, but when that runs out, some decades from now, the place will sink into a hole, with massive emigration, and much of the population will be on the English council house waiting list (along with Romania, allegedly...).
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Treaty of Union
This should really be sub-titled - 'Hey, I learned something off the tele!'
@dublinpilot
Watched a program called Coast on the TV which talked about how Scotland lost its independence.
It came about because the nobles in Scotland got themselves into deep financial problems investing in a colony that made them pretty much bankrupt. The deal was that by becoming a United Kingdom the English would pay off the debt! It was deeply unpopular with the person in the street but it was all about the money. After resisting all the invasions and everything else it was Scotland's own nobles who did it to get the money they had lost in their own bad investment back.
So (just for the fun of it) to counter your proposal - does the Scottish oil cover the initial bailing out?? <== Not being serious here btw
For anyone who is interested: see wikipedia for more details
Treaty of Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Darien scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As for aircraft prefix I think it should be the range IRN-BRU
@dublinpilot
Watched a program called Coast on the TV which talked about how Scotland lost its independence.
It came about because the nobles in Scotland got themselves into deep financial problems investing in a colony that made them pretty much bankrupt. The deal was that by becoming a United Kingdom the English would pay off the debt! It was deeply unpopular with the person in the street but it was all about the money. After resisting all the invasions and everything else it was Scotland's own nobles who did it to get the money they had lost in their own bad investment back.
So (just for the fun of it) to counter your proposal - does the Scottish oil cover the initial bailing out?? <== Not being serious here btw
For anyone who is interested: see wikipedia for more details
Treaty of Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Darien scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As for aircraft prefix I think it should be the range IRN-BRU