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astir 8 11th Mar 2013 21:14

GA in an independent Scotland
 
Just supposing for a moment the 2014 referendum resulted in an independent Scotland.

Presumably a Scottish CAA would have to be set up, a Scottish AAIB etc etc etc.

And G-REG aircraft would have to be re-registered.

What new national letters would be used? My own suggestions would be MJ (Mad Jock) or KA (King Alex). However does anyone know how it might be worked out officially?

Course I'm sure the SNP has it all worked out already!

jollyrog 11th Mar 2013 21:25

Duty drawback. Mmmmm :D

BackPacker 11th Mar 2013 22:49

There's a lot of small counties that outsource their aviation "management" to a considerable extent to the neighboring "big" country. It's simply not cost-effective to retain all the expertise in-country. Examples are Luxemburg, Andorra and Monaco. And I'm no expert on the exact relation between the CI, IoM, IoW and such on the one hand and the UK on the other, but they may be in a similar situation and may have done the same thing.

(Not saying that Scotland is or will be a small country geographically, but it will be population-wise, although I have no idea how it will compare to, say, Luxemburg.)

Furthermore, with EASA taking over more and more aviation matters, there will be less and less national differences. This means that to a large extent, any NAA would be able to help Scotland out. It doesn't have to be the UK (GB? LB? England, Wales & NI?) CAA.

mad_jock 11th Mar 2013 23:32

MJ would be rubbish.

S has alot more potential for rude registrations.

The is van in Aberdeen with a reg of A1 FUD

Buggsy S-HITE if it changes.

soay 12th Mar 2013 07:05

What's the chance that a benefit of independence would be that I could afford to land at Edinburgh or Aberdeen?

jxk 12th Mar 2013 07:10

Perhaps they could be all painted in a tartan scheme!

BillieBob 12th Mar 2013 07:54

It would be a matter for the International Telecommunications Union to allocate call signs to a new country. S is not possible as SAA-SZZ is already allocated to Sweden, MAA-MZZ is allocated to the UK so no MJ and KAA-KZZ is allocated to the USA so KA is not possible either.

astir 8 12th Mar 2013 08:13

Have to try ATA then - Alex's Tartan Airforce

Mind you Allie's Tartan Army got there first I suppose

piperboy84 12th Mar 2013 08:32


What's the chance that a benefit of independence would be that I could afford to land at Edinburgh

NFW ! you cant even get a frggijn train to Edinburgh airport (the main train line for the country does not go to the capitol citys airport) but it does go right past the end of the runway, so you can get a preview of your plane sitting at the gate from the train window as you whip by heading into the centre of the town to get a bus or taxi back to the airport which adds about and hour to your journey.

When this happened to me and all I could do was dream of being a judge in one of those 1950’s era Chinese show trials with a packed Murrayfield stadium and the road and rail planners chained up in the middle of the pitch being denounced by the baying mobs of citizens, after a sufficient period of haranguing I would rise hold up my hand and as the crowd silenced, I give a firm thumbs down, at which point it was the end for the planners and rail consultants that made my journey so unnecessarily difficult.

We can but dream

treadigraph 12th Mar 2013 08:36

How about AS-?

Salmond's Royal Barge (should he aspire to such an extravagance) could be AS-HOL...

dont overfil 12th Mar 2013 09:58


How about AS-?

Salmond's Royal Barge (should he aspire to such an extravagance) could be AS-HOL...
:ok: Love it.

The Scottish government are quite familiar with subsidising air transport. Fine examples are the services to the Scottish islands and of course the no expense spared spaceport on the west coast.

Perhaps the health budget could be tapped to subsidise flights to the sunshine and heat to cure the blue goosebump skin syndrome most Scots suffer. I think that could be the decider for the "aye or naw" vote.

D.O.

dublinpilot 12th Mar 2013 10:34

It looks like S1 woudl be available (the only S which is available).

What is "Scotland" in Scottish gaelic?

dont overfil 12th Mar 2013 11:13


What is "Scotland" in Scottish gaelic?
Alba. Or is that only the bit NW of the Great Glen?

D.O.

mad_jock 12th Mar 2013 11:50

No D.O.

That bit is called the highland resticted area.

They have Alba on the sign as you go over the border heading north anyway.

Crash one 12th Mar 2013 11:55


Alba. Or is that only the bit NW of the Great Glen?

It that where you get all them cheap Tellys from at Argos?

phiggsbroadband 12th Mar 2013 12:01

Hi, Of-Com give out GM callsigns for Scottish Radio Licences, ( GW=Wales, GI= N.Ireland, GC=Ch.Isles, GD=I.O.M.) So its all been worked out.

However a different pricing structure could be arranged by the Scottish Parliament... Say Av-Gas at 50% cost price, and free PPL training, to teach the new Scottish Pilots for the future Scottish Air Force.

Graham Borland 12th Mar 2013 13:54

Everyone knows that Scotland is the home of Golf, so it would be the remainder of the UK that would have to find a new letter.

BillieBob 12th Mar 2013 14:11


Hi, Of-Com give out GM callsigns for Scottish Radio Licences
Only while it's a part of the UK.

It looks like S1 woudl be available
Nope, sorry, A1, B1..........Z1 are not issued because the 1 may be confused with I.

How about AS-?
APA-ASZ is already allocated to Pakistan.

V9 is available and callsigns starting with V are quite commonly allocated to ex-British colonies. :E

Unusual Attitude 12th Mar 2013 14:42


Say Av-Gas at 50% cost price, and free PPL training, to teach the new Scottish Pilots for the future Scottish Air Force.
No need, I'll offer my services for free, I'd just be happy if they'd let me fit guns to my wee plane so I never had to worry about being number 2 in the circuit :E

peterh337 12th Mar 2013 15:03

Does anybody seriously believe Scotland will become a separate country?

ISTM, speaking to many Scots over the years, that nobody with a brain wants that and that it is just a gravy train for people who cannot do real work and who have gone into politics for the status, the benefits, and the chips on their shoulders (like most of Brussels).

If Scotland went independent, it would become a social dump which would make Mid Wales look like Dubai - unless it could grab the oil revenues, and the UK govt will never allow that.


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