TMG rating with EASA PPL
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Try applying and find out? 
All this confusion has helped to answer my question on another thread...."why are motor-gliders not more popular"
When the people supposedlyrunning the asylum can't get their act together without a load of unnecessary, arcane gobbledygook, there's not much hope for the "clients" they are supposed to be serving.
I don't see how any authority can arbitrarily and autocratically deny you the reissuance of a licence which you hold.......altering the group or type within which the subject of that licence sits, is an accepted Norm.
A UK motor vehicle licence has had several group-modifications over the years.... cars were split into Auto-Trans and Manual.....if you held a full licence you were "Grandfathered" both types....likewise 3-wheelers. formerly, with reverse required a car-licence, non-reversible was a motorcycle licence...come the 3-wheelergrouping, both car and motorcycle licensees were "Grandfathered " for 3-wheelers.
As an outsider, it appears that , generally, TMG's are basically a big-winged SEP, SLMG's -more a sailplane with an engine added.
I'm sure that if the beaurocratic will was present, it would not be beyond their wit or resources to simplify the whole thing, as it is, their vested interest in keeping themselves in a job ,is whet shines through....
They managed to make a differentiation with 3-axis microlights and the rules are simple-enough that the same basic airframe can be in either category according to engine or wing-loading....so why ythe huge issue with any form of motorised sailplane?
I really can't be arsed to jump through all those hoops...the thought appeals immensely,but the hassle outweighs the potential reward.
All this confusion has helped to answer my question on another thread...."why are motor-gliders not more popular"
When the people supposedlyrunning the asylum can't get their act together without a load of unnecessary, arcane gobbledygook, there's not much hope for the "clients" they are supposed to be serving.
I don't see how any authority can arbitrarily and autocratically deny you the reissuance of a licence which you hold.......altering the group or type within which the subject of that licence sits, is an accepted Norm.
A UK motor vehicle licence has had several group-modifications over the years.... cars were split into Auto-Trans and Manual.....if you held a full licence you were "Grandfathered" both types....likewise 3-wheelers. formerly, with reverse required a car-licence, non-reversible was a motorcycle licence...come the 3-wheelergrouping, both car and motorcycle licensees were "Grandfathered " for 3-wheelers.
As an outsider, it appears that , generally, TMG's are basically a big-winged SEP, SLMG's -more a sailplane with an engine added.
I'm sure that if the beaurocratic will was present, it would not be beyond their wit or resources to simplify the whole thing, as it is, their vested interest in keeping themselves in a job ,is whet shines through....
They managed to make a differentiation with 3-axis microlights and the rules are simple-enough that the same basic airframe can be in either category according to engine or wing-loading....so why ythe huge issue with any form of motorised sailplane?
I really can't be arsed to jump through all those hoops...the thought appeals immensely,but the hassle outweighs the potential reward.
cockney steve, there is nothing remotely complicated.
This is a TMG:
This is a self launch sailplane:
The only people who get confused are those who persist in using the term SLMG.
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When I apply for an EASA PPL, will my SLMG rating be transferred
across as TMG on the new licence?
across as TMG on the new licence?
If you want something you must apply for it, particularly in this case as you
don't have an existing TMG rating to be transferred.
I suggest you put TMG in Section 7 of SRG1104, and write next to it
why you believe you are entitled to it. Then the guys & gals at Gatwick
know to check if you meet the requirements.
As an outsider, it appears that , generally, TMG's are basically a big-winged SEP, SLMG's -more a sailplane with an engine added.
Self launching sailplane has no real touring capacity, the engine is usually retractable (or the engine is tucked away with a retractable prop as in Stemme) . So you can get airborne and get home when the thermals die. A self sustainer will not take off, but will get you home. Good glider, small endurance motor.
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I have a UK PPL with current SEP rating but not a current SLMG rating. This is an non-expiring UK PPL/SLMG. I have a logbook stamp of having had a satisfactory test for an SLMG rating & some hours P1 in SLMGs but that was 20 years ago.
What would I need to be legal as P1 on SLMGs? A proficiency check, skills test, or more differences training? Or am I permitted to fly SLMGs on the basis of the current SEP rating and the previous test (following differences training), as one of the CAA documents implies? I would then wish to convert my licence to an EASA PPL and add TMG (and SEP) ratings.
What would I need to be legal as P1 on SLMGs? A proficiency check, skills test, or more differences training? Or am I permitted to fly SLMGs on the basis of the current SEP rating and the previous test (following differences training), as one of the CAA documents implies? I would then wish to convert my licence to an EASA PPL and add TMG (and SEP) ratings.
Pilotproof,
I was in exactly the same position as you until last month.
After a one-hour SLMG renewal flight with a CAA SLMG Examiner he signed both my logbook and the CAA "Aircraft Rating - Certificate of Test/Check or Experience" form.
So, my "valid for life" UK PPL now has two current ratings, SEP(L) and SLMG, ready to transfer across to my new EASA PPL, which I have yet to apply for.
I was in exactly the same position as you until last month.
After a one-hour SLMG renewal flight with a CAA SLMG Examiner he signed both my logbook and the CAA "Aircraft Rating - Certificate of Test/Check or Experience" form.
So, my "valid for life" UK PPL now has two current ratings, SEP(L) and SLMG, ready to transfer across to my new EASA PPL, which I have yet to apply for.
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@ Prop swinger
forty-odd replies to this thread , say you're wrong!
The whole thing is a beaurocrat's wet dream...sorry, I aint playing. when it becomes a simple, reasonable and straightforward procedure to identify a group, learn to fly and obtain a licence, I may consider it...Meanwhile, I suspect there are thousands like me, who take up sailing or another hobby, simply because Aviation isn't worth the bother or expense.
I remember the early hang-glider days, when the authorities were caught with their pants down, so there was NO regulation , other than Darwinian selection.
Microlighting still seems to be lightly-regulated,-perhaps that's the way forward.
cockney steve, there is nothing remotely complicated.
The whole thing is a beaurocrat's wet dream...sorry, I aint playing. when it becomes a simple, reasonable and straightforward procedure to identify a group, learn to fly and obtain a licence, I may consider it...Meanwhile, I suspect there are thousands like me, who take up sailing or another hobby, simply because Aviation isn't worth the bother or expense.
I remember the early hang-glider days, when the authorities were caught with their pants down, so there was NO regulation , other than Darwinian selection.
Microlighting still seems to be lightly-regulated,-perhaps that's the way forward.
I asked the CAA where I can find a TMG Examiner in SE England. The reply I received is below. I think they mean 'do not'! What's the point of having examiners if they are a secret - they don't seem to have a problem listing AMEs?
Thank you for your email received.
Due to the UK Data Protection Act unfortunately we do hold a list of authorised examiners. You will need to contact Training Providers directly to see if they have authorised examiners you can use.
I am sorry that I could not have been of more assistance to you.
Yours sincerely
Due to the UK Data Protection Act unfortunately we do hold a list of authorised examiners. You will need to contact Training Providers directly to see if they have authorised examiners you can use.
I am sorry that I could not have been of more assistance to you.
Yours sincerely
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I can report success on this one
I've just had confirmation from the CAA that they are giving me a TMG rating based on a UK PPL with SLMG differences signed off. It took two goes - they didn't do it first time, so I had to go back and point that out.
I can forward the relevant emails to anyone who wants them.
Paul
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OK Chaps,
Can anyone give me a definitive answer to this question?
I have a UK PPL (valid for life) with two current ratings:SEP(L) and SLMG. When I apply for an EASA PPL, will my SLMG rating be transferred across as TMG on the new licence?
OK Chaps,
Can anyone give me a definitive answer to this question?
I have a UK PPL (valid for life) with two current ratings:SEP(L) and SLMG. When I apply for an EASA PPL, will my SLMG rating be transferred across as TMG on the new licence?
I can forward the relevant emails to anyone who wants them.
Paul
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I was just wondering about my SLMG on my old PPL ,I lost the licence. Well it was stolen,
But to get a new licence I added a SSEA. it came back with SSEA and a night rating, nothing else,and only SEP, in the "previously held page" where has SLMG gone?
Since I wish to fly microlight, and may be a Faulke, will I have to add two more class ratings , SLMG and Microlight??
But to get a new licence I added a SSEA. it came back with SSEA and a night rating, nothing else,and only SEP, in the "previously held page" where has SLMG gone?
Since I wish to fly microlight, and may be a Faulke, will I have to add two more class ratings , SLMG and Microlight??
