Flying with passengers rule....

[Maoraigh1]

3) Fly PIC with an experienced Check Pilot, current on type next to them
4) Fly PIC with a "pilot mate" next to them

An illegal, but not immoral, activity performed by consenting and knowledgeable adults.

5) Fly PIC with a Pax next to them (for a couple of circuits to regain
currency) before leaving on the planned flight.

An illegal and immoral activity with an innocent victim.

Flying with an Instuctor is always legal, but if no local instructor has relevant currency?
And how will 3 circuits with an instructor in a PA28/38 or C152/172 make you safe for some Annex2 aircraft?

[Shunter]

but if no local instructor has relevant currency?

Don't forget that the 90 day rule does not apply to an instructor if he is flying with another pilot. The 90 day rule applies when carrying passengers; not when providing instruction to another pilot.

[phiggsbroadband]

Hi, just to complicate the issue... What if the pilot has never flown that groups aircraft before?

For instance, pilot has hundred of hours on Cessna 152 and wants to fly the group's C172... Its almost the same, but with slightly different speeds.

Or he has been flying a C172 with a carburated IO 320, and wants to use the C172 with the IO 360 fuel injected engine? Are we back to waiting for the 3 T/O + Lds again, before taking paxs? I suspect so, but it makes it difficult if you want to fly several different types.

[Pace]

For instance, pilot has hundred of hours on Cessna 152 and wants to fly the group's C172... Its almost the same, but with slightly different speeds.

Wow!! He needs to do 3 touch and goes before jumping from one such demanding and complex aircraft to another such a different beast???

I would have thought a cursory look at the manual would suffice!

Where have the days gone like I experienced where you were thrown a set of keys and told take that! jumping into an aircraft you had never flown and working it out yourself

Pace

[mad_jock]

phiggs the requirement is for a particular class or type.

The SEP class covers all the aircraft you have mentioned so the 3 will cover you across the whole class including any complex differences.

What schools or clubs require for currency before renting is a completely seperate issue.

[Crash one]

Can the Instructor be un-qualified on tailwheel & still be legal for the 3 To+L in a taildragger? I know he can't be P1.

[mad_jock]

If they can't be PIC on an aircraft they stop being an Instructor on it.

[Crash one]

Thanks Jock, that's what I thought.

[Maoraigh1]

if no local instructor has relevant currency

What I meant was recent experience in something similar to the PPLs aircraft. Some LAA permit aircraft have very different characteristics compared to the common flyincg school types.

[Pilot.Lyons]

Hehe i love pprune

[Level Attitude]

Flying with an Instuctor is always legal, but if no local instructor has relevant currency?

Then Options 7) or 9) or 1) (my suggested order of preference)

And how will 3 circuits with an instructor in a PA28/38 or C152/172 make you safe for some Annex2 aircraft?

Although, hopefully, someone will always gain something (no matter how small) from any flight I will agree with you.

Given your scenario the purpose of this flight is not to become competent and/or safe in any specific aircraft - it is
only so the Pu/t can regain their currency to legally carry passengers.

As Landings only need to be "carried out" post 17 Sept they don't even
need to be competent and the Instructor can intervene as much as is
required on the controls.

So Pu/t doesn't even need to be familiar/current with whichever aircraft
they are in with the Instructor.

[Level Attitude]

Bent Nose Wheels

For C-150/152 to C-172

I would have thought a cursory look at the manual would suffice!

Will result in:

Boing........Boing.......Boing......THUD!

or possibly just:

Boing...THUD!

I have seen too many bent Nose Wheels on C-172s - mainly from pilots with a high number of hours on the C-152 but very few on 172.

[Gertrude the Wombat]

mainly from pilots with a high number of hours on the C-152 but very few on 172

'Cos the 172 is harder to land when you're going too fast than the 152. It's just as easy if you're not going too fast, but it depends what habits the 152 driver has got into.

[Maoraigh1]

So Pu/t doesn't even need to befamiliar/current with whichever aircraft

'Cos the 172 is harder to land whenyou're going too fast than the 152. It's just as easy if you're not going toofast, but it depends what habits the 152 driver has got into.

So pilot does a few acceptable landings with an instructor in a C152, then goes in a Jodel DR1050 or a DH82A?

[Level Attitude]

So pilot does a few acceptable landings with an instructor in a C152, then goes in a Jodel DR1050 or a DH82A?

Given that

the purpose of this flight is not to become competent and/or safe in any specific aircraft - it is
only so the Pu/t can regain their currency to legally carry passengers

Then Yes.

Pilot is now legal to carry passengers. If they want/need checking out they
can now legally act as PIC whilst carrying a Check Pilot as Pax.

If they do not want/need checking out then why didn't they just do a
couple of circuits solo if they want to carry a passenger?