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Wow! Its so entertaining reading these replies!
Thanks everyone!
Boy there are some anoraks out there...... Chill people.... To argue over the use of the english language is a bit silly really.....
There are crazy pilots and there are experienced pilots and inexperienced pilots who make some mistakes that can have serious consequences....
Ive seen stupidity from private owners visiting our field and im sure plenty of others see much more on other days.... I just hope people realise their mistakes and seek to remedy the problem and learn so it cannot happen again thus making the skies safer and more enjoyable for all of us....
Keep safe people and hey.... Lets not stress and digress into poor use of english or whatever else... Lifes too short
Thanks everyone!
Boy there are some anoraks out there...... Chill people.... To argue over the use of the english language is a bit silly really.....
There are crazy pilots and there are experienced pilots and inexperienced pilots who make some mistakes that can have serious consequences....
Ive seen stupidity from private owners visiting our field and im sure plenty of others see much more on other days.... I just hope people realise their mistakes and seek to remedy the problem and learn so it cannot happen again thus making the skies safer and more enjoyable for all of us....
Keep safe people and hey.... Lets not stress and digress into poor use of english or whatever else... Lifes too short
This sort of flying is all too commonplace and it's more by luck than judgement that more serious consequences don't occur. Bad enough that pilots flying around without taking advantage of an ATC service conduct themselves in this way but I have to say that time after time I and my colleagues (ATC) have warned GA pilots of activity at glider sites, DZs etc and they seem to take it as an invitation to fly directly at that point.
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Keep safe people and hey.... Lets not stress and digress into poor use of english or whatever else... Lifes too short
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Whether student or qualified pilot, the incident is inexcuseable. Strathallan, Fife and Errol all have parachute symbols superimposed on them on the charts. Scottish will pass info on activity too, as will Dundee and Leuchars. This is an issue of airmanship, and situational awareness (or lack, thereof).
I'm sure we've all seen this
Catastrophic just doesn't begin to describe the consequences of even a glancing blow - to either party.
I got a briefing on join, transit and departure procedures at a paradropping strip, from a jump pilot some years ago. I learned a lot from him, not all of which was necessarily obvious. Perhaps a CAA safety sense leaflet would help.
I'm sure we've all seen this
Catastrophic just doesn't begin to describe the consequences of even a glancing blow - to either party.
I got a briefing on join, transit and departure procedures at a paradropping strip, from a jump pilot some years ago. I learned a lot from him, not all of which was necessarily obvious. Perhaps a CAA safety sense leaflet would help.
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I had oposite problems few weeks ago. Paragliding guys blocked runway on my home aerdrome by their cars. I've done low pass to show them intensions but they did not move. After 2 hour cross country I've decided to land on the rest of runway (500 meters enough for C172) and then they told me they have low battery on their car! And they had no radio at all to talk to me. What did they forget in the sky with such approach?
One thing that I have seen in pretty much every country I have flown in is a widespread reluctance on the part of recreational pilots to use ATC enroute radar services.
Part of the issue is IMO insufficient emphasis on this in the PPL. New pilots do not feel confident in utilizing enroute ATC services because it is often never demonstrated and practiced in training. They are afraid of making a mistake or sounding stupid on the radio and so fail to utilize the extra level of safety it gives. I was personally saved by ATC one day flying in the airspace East of Vancouver at 8500 feet one hazy afternoon. The quick call from ATC saved what would almost certainly have been a mid air when another aircraft not talking to anyone turned into me.
The bottom line: Use ATC to the maximum extent practicable and if you are unsure of how to access it, get some instruction.
Part of the issue is IMO insufficient emphasis on this in the PPL. New pilots do not feel confident in utilizing enroute ATC services because it is often never demonstrated and practiced in training. They are afraid of making a mistake or sounding stupid on the radio and so fail to utilize the extra level of safety it gives. I was personally saved by ATC one day flying in the airspace East of Vancouver at 8500 feet one hazy afternoon. The quick call from ATC saved what would almost certainly have been a mid air when another aircraft not talking to anyone turned into me.
The bottom line: Use ATC to the maximum extent practicable and if you are unsure of how to access it, get some instruction.
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Sorry to be pedantic, but I cannot see on the Little Gransden site that one should not descend to circuit height deadside. I certainly did not enter area "A" but I cannot be entirely sure I did not enter area "B"when descending deadside. As someone who flies near to several glider sites I am aware of the need to be vigilant. Only two weeks I encountered two in my home airfield zone. When this was passed to air/ground, a third party mentioned the presence of a third pretty close to our "final". Very shortly thereafter I spotted two gliders in a field just outside our zone. At no point were they on our zone's frequency which would have helped newbies like me.
It is on their airfield info
Sorry to be pedantic, but I cannot see on the Little Gransden site that one should not descend to circuit height deadside. I certainly did not enter area "A" but I cannot be entirely sure I did not enter area "B"when descending deadside. As someone who flies near to several glider sites I am aware of the need to be vigilant. Only two weeks I encountered two in my home airfield zone. When this was passed to air/ground, a third party mentioned the presence of a third pretty close to our "final". Very shortly thereafter I spotted two gliders in a field just outside our zone. At no point were they on our zone's frequency which would have helped newbies like me.
@BPF: And my experience is that if I can't demonstrate a least class C transponder my local FIS don't care - unless I might have been busting some airspace of course. If they have no more interest in me, then surely I am not going to bend over backwards to please them.
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they told me they have low battery on their car
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There isn't that many yellow planes in Scotland.
& I also know where & what Errol is.
Just clearing my yardarm before someone measures the distance to Errol.
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most of the people on this forum are not professional pilots.
@BPF: And my experience is that if I can't demonstrate a least class C transponder my local FIS don't care - unless I might have been busting some airspace of course. If they have no more interest in me, then surely I am not going to bend over backwards to please them.
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Sorry to be pedantic, but I cannot see on the Little Gransden site that one should not descend to circuit height deadside.
It says join downwind, beware of glider site 1 mile to the north and the cct patterns are all south. I would have thought that a glider site 1nm to the north would have made no deadside joins a no brainer. As I say, I'm still a wet behind the ears power guy myself, it's not you I have the issue with but your instructor for not seeing the problem. If I can see it as a novice why can't he.
I've never been to Gransden by the way, didn't even know where it was until I read your post.
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One thing that I have seen in pretty much every country I have flown in is a widespread reluctance on the part of recreational pilots to use ATC enroute radar services.
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Part of the issue is IMO insufficient emphasis on this in the PPL
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Part of the issue is IMO insufficient emphasis on this in the PPL
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I was accused by an R44 pilot once of illegal formation flying (once the CAA received the MOR) when i followed him to get the registration after he blatantly flew through our DZ with jumpers under canopies.
AFAIK, it is perfectly legal to fly through a Drop Zone at will. Same with a Glider site. These are on the map as potential "Hazards", but they are not prohibited/restricted areas, nor is it prosecutable to fly through one I believe?
Yes - it is hardly best practice, it is poor airmanship, it risks you, your Pax, the parachutists etc., but it is Class G airspace and free to all. I trust the parachutists are trained it is just "advisory" for aircraft to avoid, and that they accept that risk? I am all for some education of individuals re the Hazards, but "outraged" threads / chasing people for their registrations strikes me as a bit OTT
At Air Displays and Aerobatic competitions there tend to be observers keeping a lookout for passing aircraft, and advising participants - who have missed or ignore the NOTAMs. Do Para Zones employ similar?
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but it is Class G airspace and free to all
If it is notamed as a PJ then the pilot should have avoided it, but most pilots don't get notams....