N Reg aircraft under official pressure in UK??
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I am sure this is just a troll thread, but anyway interesting idea about the Olympics. Where I live, they have had ANPR cameras positioned on all roads into and out of the area to record all number plates for the past half year or more. This is so they can filter out the "locals" from visitors and hence I suppose so the police can pay more attention to visitors than locals.
Stupid idea though, if I were a terrorist I'd just buy a car from the local rag which has been used in the area for the past 6 months and then it would flag as a "local" car.
I don't know about any permit to operate an N reg privately during the Olympics. What about a LN- reg....or M- reg or come to think of it an F- reg ??
Stupid idea though, if I were a terrorist I'd just buy a car from the local rag which has been used in the area for the past 6 months and then it would flag as a "local" car.
I don't know about any permit to operate an N reg privately during the Olympics. What about a LN- reg....or M- reg or come to think of it an F- reg ??
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Might be worth having a chat to the DFT about the implications of this - even as a private operator of a N-Reg aircraft. I have and was surprised.
http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publication...ortoptions.pdf
http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publication...ortoptions.pdf
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GEP,
Are you sure you linked the right info? All I can see is pages of glossy info on the local airports, along with a message that slots will fill up on busy days so book early. I don't see anything that says G reg get preferential slots, or N-reg will not be allowed slots, etc.
Yes we do know that scheduled service will be prioritised if there is an ATC capacity problem, but once again, AIUI that will put an N reg United flight at a higher priority than a G-reg Air Taxi flight.
Are you sure you linked the right info? All I can see is pages of glossy info on the local airports, along with a message that slots will fill up on busy days so book early. I don't see anything that says G reg get preferential slots, or N-reg will not be allowed slots, etc.
Yes we do know that scheduled service will be prioritised if there is an ATC capacity problem, but once again, AIUI that will put an N reg United flight at a higher priority than a G-reg Air Taxi flight.
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Are you sure you linked the right info? All I can see is pages of glossy info on the local airports, along with a message that slots will fill up on busy days so book early. I don't see anything that says G reg get preferential slots, or N-reg will not be allowed slots, etc.
Are these 'restrictions' applicable to GA N-reg traffic in the restricted zone during the olympics, or just commercial traffic?
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I first thought that it would not affect GA movements (foreign registered aircraft rather than GA) I am now led to believe that is not the case - ALL non UK registered aircraft will be subject to special measures for the Olympic period
From the link:
From the link:
To deal with this challenge the Government is proposing to introduce
new measures to help control the flow of aircraft during the Games
period. This will include the need for prior booking of arrival and
departure slots at all airports and airfields in South East England:
aircraft will not be permitted to operate without these. There will also be new airspace control measures in place, both for capacity and security reasons.
new measures to help control the flow of aircraft during the Games
period. This will include the need for prior booking of arrival and
departure slots at all airports and airfields in South East England:
aircraft will not be permitted to operate without these. There will also be new airspace control measures in place, both for capacity and security reasons.
All of the airports and airfields featured here are able and ready to
take additional private and non-scheduled commercial flights during
the Games period. They have been listed on the basis that they are
within an approximate 120 minute journey to the main Games site at
Stratford, either by rail or by road. The information they have supplied
here is intended to provide an initial guide to what is available and
where. Those wishing to operate non-scheduled flights during the
Games period are encouraged to make use of the contacts supplied
to confirm details and availability.
Early contact is recommended, especially for those who have
particular needs or preferences as regards location, type of aircraft,
or timings. Many operators are making their plans now. Slots at peak
times are expected to be subject to heavy demand, and are likely to
be fully subscribed well before the Games at many airports.
The airports in and around London look forward to welcoming you in
2012 – but please make your arrangements as early as possible to
ensure that your needs can be met.
take additional private and non-scheduled commercial flights during
the Games period. They have been listed on the basis that they are
within an approximate 120 minute journey to the main Games site at
Stratford, either by rail or by road. The information they have supplied
here is intended to provide an initial guide to what is available and
where. Those wishing to operate non-scheduled flights during the
Games period are encouraged to make use of the contacts supplied
to confirm details and availability.
Early contact is recommended, especially for those who have
particular needs or preferences as regards location, type of aircraft,
or timings. Many operators are making their plans now. Slots at peak
times are expected to be subject to heavy demand, and are likely to
be fully subscribed well before the Games at many airports.
The airports in and around London look forward to welcoming you in
2012 – but please make your arrangements as early as possible to
ensure that your needs can be met.
UK Department for Transport
London
March 2011London
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This will include the need for prior booking of arrival and
departure slots at all airports and airfields in South East England:
aircraft will not be permitted to operate without these.
departure slots at all airports and airfields in South East England:
aircraft will not be permitted to operate without these.
I cannot see anything in the PDF saying N-regs will require DfT permission.
I have just phoned my local (Shoreham) and apparently during the Olympic month there will be no slots for VFR but there will be slots for IFR (and with very limited availability). In effect, no IFR traffic for the month, for practical purposes.
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Back at my desk now.
With the greatest respect GEP, I cannot see anything in that that would indicate that foreign reg flights would be grounded, and as Peter states, look at the date.
MJ - I understand your point reference residents circumnavigating national laws, but almost every post hints/alludes to N reg scallywags, flouting every FCL regulation, maintenance dodging, and some plot that we all fly under a flag of convenience. My point is to state that it is simply not true.
And I know you know that
With the greatest respect GEP, I cannot see anything in that that would indicate that foreign reg flights would be grounded, and as Peter states, look at the date.
MJ - I understand your point reference residents circumnavigating national laws, but almost every post hints/alludes to N reg scallywags, flouting every FCL regulation, maintenance dodging, and some plot that we all fly under a flag of convenience. My point is to state that it is simply not true.
And I know you know that
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I have just phoned my local (Shoreham) and apparently during the Olympic month
there will be no slots for VFR but there will be slots for IFR (and with very
limited availability). In effect, no IFR traffic for the month, for practical
purposes.
there will be no slots for VFR but there will be slots for IFR (and with very
limited availability). In effect, no IFR traffic for the month, for practical
purposes.
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I believe oxford is 6 movement slots an hour be they VFR or IFR. So 3 in and 3 out or 6 in and zero out or 6 out and zero in.
And I don't think any airport are going to giving any slots to a spam cans earning them less than 50 quid for a landing.
And I don't think any airport are going to giving any slots to a spam cans earning them less than 50 quid for a landing.
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I think you will find the said airports will be working hard to get this ludicrous slot imposition lifted or relaxed, because nobody can make money with traffic throttled down to that level.
It is bizzare to do this to airports outside the
olympic zone, too.
Fuji you have email.
Still looking for the alleged N-reg movement ban
It is bizzare to do this to airports outside the
olympic zone, too.Fuji you have email.
Still looking for the alleged N-reg movement ban
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I have just phoned my local (Shoreham) and apparently during the Olympic month there will be no slots for VFR but there will be slots for IFR (and with very limited availability). In effect, no IFR traffic for the month, for practical purposes.
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Its a movement slot.
A takeoff is a movement be it IFR or VFR, and a landing is a movement again be it VFR or IFR. So if you wanted to go on a nav ex even if it was a round robin with no land away that would use two slots. Landaway it would be 4 slots two at each airport.
A takeoff is a movement be it IFR or VFR, and a landing is a movement again be it VFR or IFR. So if you wanted to go on a nav ex even if it was a round robin with no land away that would use two slots. Landaway it would be 4 slots two at each airport.
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The pprune police squad are out in force again, this time it appears to be the turn of the Private forum. What a load of old tosh being thrown in the works about 'N' reg being treated differently to any other during the Olympics. Not so, the same regs apply to all. That said if we are also moving into the realm of the Earsa regs regarding 'N' reg in Europe then my local airfield has plenty of old disused military accommodation. I think I'll buy the accommodation and turn it into a new country, Freetown Christiana part two, not part of Europe. We'll have a session of Earsa reg burning around a bonfire where we can whoop like Injuns !
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Hmmm.... I'm not so sure that these are "movement slots".
As I understand it the "slots" are for IFR traffic only. London ATC capacity has been greatly expanded for the Olympic period, but there's still a finite limit.
It's not the airport capacity that's limited, it's the capacity of London to handle the traffic.
The "Slots" were agreed between ACL, the aerodrome operators and NATS some time ago and provide a means of regulating the flow strategically.
See here Airport Coordination Limited - Olympics Airports... where it explains the process and confirms that the slots
VFR traffic should be unaffected... apart from the requirements for flying in the airspace (see Olympic Airspace)
Regards
BEX
As I understand it the "slots" are for IFR traffic only. London ATC capacity has been greatly expanded for the Olympic period, but there's still a finite limit.
It's not the airport capacity that's limited, it's the capacity of London to handle the traffic.
The "Slots" were agreed between ACL, the aerodrome operators and NATS some time ago and provide a means of regulating the flow strategically.
See here Airport Coordination Limited - Olympics Airports... where it explains the process and confirms that the slots
for all IFR traffic arriving or departing.
Regards
BEX
Shoreham is outside the RZ,so where is the problem..? One of it`s own making possibly..?
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And what a thread starter by 'Pussy Boots' a complete troll, sad to the extreme, pathetic in it's execution. Probably started by some bitter twisted out of work pilot who thinks they're going to piggyback a job on the basis of the Earsa rubbish. Not so, efforts already underway to ensure that this won't be the case.