Microlight Down near Kincardine, Clackmannanshire
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From: Lochwinnoch, Renfrewshire
Pilot has now been named.
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beeb article here now says:
I feel for his family. So easy to be flippant but a life has been lost, and every life is precious.
The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said Mr Paterson was unlicensed and the microlight unregistered.
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From: Timbuktoo
With the greatest respect to his family and acknowledging a life has been lost let's not overlook how it happened, or indeed the apparent disregard the pilot had for the law and safety of others!
Taking it at face value I find it difficult to get all sentimental.
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Taking it at face value I find it difficult to get all sentimental.
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Presumably the CAA would not know if this pilot had a non-UK licence. NS
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From: Plumpton Green
To quote someone on here:
The CAA is entitled to (and does) permit JAR-FCL licence holders with SEP ratings to fly Microlights and has specified the requirements. There is no obligation for any other State to follow the same procedure or to accept the CAA's National Position.
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Yep so anyone from any JAR country with a JAR license not a national one can come to the UK and fly G reg microlights on there JAR SEP class rating.
You just can't presume you can do it the other way round though. And for that matter they may not be permited to do the same thing at home.
You just can't presume you can do it the other way round though. And for that matter they may not be permited to do the same thing at home.
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The issue of permissions to fly microlights, for other licence holders, has always been rather odd.
The issue should be simple - they're different, but not that different. So you need training, or you are probably going to break it, and possibly yourself. The amount of training will depend upon the pilot and the aeroplane.
But depending upon whether you have an ICAO licence, a UK licence, a JAR licence, or an NPPL - all of which you might be quite legally flying, say, a PA28 with - the rules change about what training and testing you need to fly a microlight.
Which is daft. It really should be the same for everybody. Which is to say MANDATORY differences training. The only debating point really is then whether it should be just signed off by an instructor, or requires an examiner.
G
The issue should be simple - they're different, but not that different. So you need training, or you are probably going to break it, and possibly yourself. The amount of training will depend upon the pilot and the aeroplane.
But depending upon whether you have an ICAO licence, a UK licence, a JAR licence, or an NPPL - all of which you might be quite legally flying, say, a PA28 with - the rules change about what training and testing you need to fly a microlight.
Which is daft. It really should be the same for everybody. Which is to say MANDATORY differences training. The only debating point really is then whether it should be just signed off by an instructor, or requires an examiner.
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But my strongest opinion is that everybody should have to meet the same requirements, rather than jumping around depending upon what form of "heavy metal" licence you happen to hold.
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you cannot fly a UK microlight on a foreign licence
Aye you can.
You just need any JAR license with a SEP Class rating
You just need any JAR license with a SEP Class rating
any licence which authorises the holder to act as a member of the flight crew of an aircraft and is granted:
(a) under the law of a Contracting State other than the United Kingdom but which is not a JAA licence...is, unless the CAA gives a direction to the contrary, deemed to be a licence rendered valid under this Order.
(a) under the law of a Contracting State other than the United Kingdom but which is not a JAA licence...is, unless the CAA gives a direction to the contrary, deemed to be a licence rendered valid under this Order.
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Any ICAO licence with something equivalent to SEP should do. I've come across people with FAA PPL(SEP) licences flying microlights, so far as I could tell legally.
But in my opinion differences training should be mandatory for everybody. Either when going to microlights, or when switching control systems between 3-axis, flexwing, and/or PPC.
In the meantime, any pilot who is not an idiot should get differences training, whether legally required or not.
G
But in my opinion differences training should be mandatory for everybody. Either when going to microlights, or when switching control systems between 3-axis, flexwing, and/or PPC.
In the meantime, any pilot who is not an idiot should get differences training, whether legally required or not.
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From: Plumpton Green
In France you cannot fly a microlight on a French or foreign PPL. So, the UK CAA could not deem a French PPL valid for microlights.
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Depuis l’arrêté du 4 mai 2000, il n'y a plus d'équivalence.
Si vous êtes titulaire d'un brevet de pilote avion, d'hélicoptère, de planeur ou de ballon libre, ou encore d'une licence étrangère, vous êtes uniquement dispensé du certificat d'aptitude théorique commun ULM.
Si vous êtes titulaire d'un brevet de pilote avion, d'hélicoptère, de planeur ou de ballon libre, ou encore d'une licence étrangère, vous êtes uniquement dispensé du certificat d'aptitude théorique commun ULM.
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The CAA can deem valid anything it likes on a G reg and its airspace. It got nothing to do with the French CAA.
It couldn't let a french licensed pilot fly a F reg, in UK airspace or a G reg in French airspace.
As I said they might not be allowed to do the same thing at home.
It couldn't let a french licensed pilot fly a F reg, in UK airspace or a G reg in French airspace.
As I said they might not be allowed to do the same thing at home.
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From: Plumpton Green
any licence which authorises the holder to act as a member of the flight crew of an aircraft and is granted:
(a) under the law of a Contracting State other than the United Kingdom but which is not a JAA licence...is, unless the CAA gives a direction to the contrary, deemed to be a licence rendered valid under this Order.
(a) under the law of a Contracting State other than the United Kingdom but which is not a JAA licence...is, unless the CAA gives a direction to the contrary, deemed to be a licence rendered valid under this Order.
I disagree. The French PPL does not authorise the holder to fly a microlight, so the CAA can hardly override that. It would be different if the Contracting State did not specifically exclude microlights from PPL privileges.
In the event of an incident, the foreign licence would need to be verified with the issuing state and the microlight exclusion would come to light.