Jodel over Derbyshire
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Jodel over Derbyshire
Camphill airfield, home to the Derbyshire and Lancashire Gliding Club had a visit from a Jodel on Sunday 1st April. Sorry we couldn't offer you a cup of tea, but we thought the conditions were just on the wrong side of good enough. (the Met conditions that is, not the tea).
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As an ex-member of D&L GC, I once asked if I could take the Chipmunk into there, but was politely refused on the grounds that being in the Peak Park, they are not allowed to operate powered aircraft there.
Did the Jodel land?
Did the Jodel land?
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Why the appology on here over not being able to offer a cup of tea? Is such a public apology necessary?
Presumably your post is meant to be sarcastic, and critising the pilot for landing with PPR (and presumably departing again before anyone was at the airfield).
If that's the case, then before getting too upset, you might consider that the pilot might also have thought that the weather was a little sporting and might have pushed their luck too far, and just wanted to get back on the ground. Any port in a storm.
If that were to happen to me, and then the weather cleared up later, I don't think I'd be waiting around for an unknown length of time (presumably days) before somebody turned up, just to say thanks and sorry for the intrusion.
Sure (if this is the case) their planning might have been better, they might have made an earlier decision to divert, but better land on a runway, than run into the ground by continuing the flight in poor conditions.
Presumably your post is meant to be sarcastic, and critising the pilot for landing with PPR (and presumably departing again before anyone was at the airfield).
If that's the case, then before getting too upset, you might consider that the pilot might also have thought that the weather was a little sporting and might have pushed their luck too far, and just wanted to get back on the ground. Any port in a storm.
If that were to happen to me, and then the weather cleared up later, I don't think I'd be waiting around for an unknown length of time (presumably days) before somebody turned up, just to say thanks and sorry for the intrusion.
Sure (if this is the case) their planning might have been better, they might have made an earlier decision to divert, but better land on a runway, than run into the ground by continuing the flight in poor conditions.
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Oh dear, perhaps Dublin Pilot has been involved on some of the more combative threads on Prune. I simply hoped to make contact with the Jodel driver (who had two glider pilot pax on board) to give a fuller explanation of my suggestion that landing was inadvisable due to cross-wind at about 90 degrees and severe turbulence at low level. As Astir suggests, our airfield is somewhat unconventional.
We get the occasional powered visitor and most of us are happy to see them. The Peak Park do place restrictions on US for operating power but that would not prevent us from assisting any aircraft. We recently had a request for a landing from a big ugly green thing with an egg whisk on top. It was full of soldiers. They were very nice and enjoyed the tea.
We get the occasional powered visitor and most of us are happy to see them. The Peak Park do place restrictions on US for operating power but that would not prevent us from assisting any aircraft. We recently had a request for a landing from a big ugly green thing with an egg whisk on top. It was full of soldiers. They were very nice and enjoyed the tea.
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Hi Snapper1,
Sorry for the misinterpretation of your post.
You didn't actually ask the pilot to make contact, or ask if anyone know them, or indeed ask anything other than make a public apology for a minor matter to someone you'd little reason to think would see it.
That's why I thought you were trying to be sarcastic, as there didn't seem to be any other reason for your post.
I'm glad that I was wrong, and hope no offence was taken
dp
Sorry for the misinterpretation of your post.
You didn't actually ask the pilot to make contact, or ask if anyone know them, or indeed ask anything other than make a public apology for a minor matter to someone you'd little reason to think would see it.
That's why I thought you were trying to be sarcastic, as there didn't seem to be any other reason for your post.
I'm glad that I was wrong, and hope no offence was taken
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Must admit I fly past Camphill fairly often and it doesn't look like the sort of place I would want to put something like a 28 down on. The first time I was over there I couldn't spot it at all untill my mate said 'See that hilltop there, that's it...'
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I imagine getting a Jodel into and back out of Camphill to be on the scary side of exciting even on a good day.
Would you care to share a description of the moment with us Snapper?
Would you care to share a description of the moment with us Snapper?
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Dublinpilot, no offence taken. Re-reading my post I can see that it could easily be misunderstood. I've used Prune before in this way when trying to contact another pilot and it worked well. I resolve to be clearer in any future postings.
Happy flying,
Snapper.
Happy flying,
Snapper.
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“I simply hoped to make contact with the Jodel driver (who had two glider pilot pax on board) to give a fuller explanation of my suggestion that landing was inadvisable due to cross-wind at about 90 degrees and severe turbulence at low level.”
So let me see if I understand. A Jodel landed safely in challenging conditions. You had a go at the pilot as in your opinion (PPL / ATPL / Sky God?) he should not have landed in those conditions. The Jodel departed without incident. You now want to contact the pilot to have another go?
Did you get the registration, or were you just too cross?
There are many strips in the UK which can be very challenging; do we know the level of experience of the jodel pilot? Have you ever flown a Jodel?
Rod1
PS – Ex member of Derbyshire and Lancashire Gliding Club but not the Jodel pilot in question.
So let me see if I understand. A Jodel landed safely in challenging conditions. You had a go at the pilot as in your opinion (PPL / ATPL / Sky God?) he should not have landed in those conditions. The Jodel departed without incident. You now want to contact the pilot to have another go?
Did you get the registration, or were you just too cross?
There are many strips in the UK which can be very challenging; do we know the level of experience of the jodel pilot? Have you ever flown a Jodel?
Rod1
PS – Ex member of Derbyshire and Lancashire Gliding Club but not the Jodel pilot in question.
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Was the conversation mid afternoon on 129.975?
I think I heard it if it was.
Very straight forward - the chap said he had 2 glider pilots on board. Asked if he could pop in. Unfortunately I could not hear the response but I don't think he took it badly.
I think I heard it if it was.
Very straight forward - the chap said he had 2 glider pilots on board. Asked if he could pop in. Unfortunately I could not hear the response but I don't think he took it badly.
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2hotwot, it was really a non-event and everything was done correctly. I just wanted to make contact with the Jodel driver to make sure he understood that our advice not to try for a landing was based on safety grounds.
The Jodel called about 10 minutes out asking for airfield info. We were having a really good day but launches and landings were becoming rather sporty. Wind was 280/15 and increasing. Our westerly facing ridge was, as usual in these conditions, creating turbulence low down. In this situation we accept the crosswind for launching so that we can get good height on the wire. We then land to the west to be into wind and on to an upslope. The airfield (and I stress FIELD) is 800mtrs north-south but only 400mtrs west-east - and the first 100mtrs of that is unlandable. There is absolutly no undershoot and the only overshoot option to the west is to go around onto the ridge or put it in a field in the valley about 600ft below.
A member who is a very experienced power pilot said that even if the Jodel got in on a westerly approach, he wouldn't get off again on the upslope. The Jodel then flew around the field at a good, safe distance and called to ask about a landing to the north. I was at the radio and had no hesitation in saying it would be inadvisable. He called back saying he'd just clocked our windsock and wished us 'happy gliding'. We wished him a good flight.
Guzzler, yes, that's right.
The Jodel called about 10 minutes out asking for airfield info. We were having a really good day but launches and landings were becoming rather sporty. Wind was 280/15 and increasing. Our westerly facing ridge was, as usual in these conditions, creating turbulence low down. In this situation we accept the crosswind for launching so that we can get good height on the wire. We then land to the west to be into wind and on to an upslope. The airfield (and I stress FIELD) is 800mtrs north-south but only 400mtrs west-east - and the first 100mtrs of that is unlandable. There is absolutly no undershoot and the only overshoot option to the west is to go around onto the ridge or put it in a field in the valley about 600ft below.
A member who is a very experienced power pilot said that even if the Jodel got in on a westerly approach, he wouldn't get off again on the upslope. The Jodel then flew around the field at a good, safe distance and called to ask about a landing to the north. I was at the radio and had no hesitation in saying it would be inadvisable. He called back saying he'd just clocked our windsock and wished us 'happy gliding'. We wished him a good flight.
Guzzler, yes, that's right.
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If you had explained the incident in the first place several of us would not have got the wrong end of the stick. As you had radio coms with the pilot you must have his reg – G-INFO will provide the pilot info and you can contact him directly.
Rod1
If you had explained the incident in the first place several of us would not have got the wrong end of the stick. As you had radio coms with the pilot you must have his reg – G-INFO will provide the pilot info and you can contact him directly.
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Dear Mr Rod 1
you do seem to have read far more into the original post than could be remotely justified. And now you seem to be blaming others for your error.
Apologies can be over-done these days, but one might just be called-for. From you, not Mr Snapper.
you do seem to have read far more into the original post than could be remotely justified. And now you seem to be blaming others for your error.
Apologies can be over-done these days, but one might just be called-for. From you, not Mr Snapper.
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Two of us misunderstood the original post. Having gone through the post again my interpretation appears just as reasonable as anything else. The thread starter simply had to look up the aircraft reg on G-INFO (which he must have had from the radio call) and contacted the pilot directly with no need for this thread at all.
Rod1
Two of us misunderstood the original post. Having gone through the post again my interpretation appears just as reasonable as anything else. The thread starter simply had to look up the aircraft reg on G-INFO (which he must have had from the radio call) and contacted the pilot directly with no need for this thread at all.
Rod1